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--30v and 491 Electric Dairy Van 'NCB' (1949-60)

With reference to the picture published in the October 2014 issue of The Journal, The N.C.B. company has been renamed Smiths Delivery Vehicles Ltd. and it is for this manufacturer that Meccano made this promotionnal model and not for a milk company.

Today, Smith is the world's largest company producing zero emission vehicles, the emissions are made somewhere else by the power stations. Their range includes vans, trucks, buses and special vehicles. They have developed a world wide network of agents and are ready for the developing market of electric commercial vehicles.


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Re : --30v and 491 Electric Dairy Van 'NCB' (1949-60)

The item you show here Jacques was auctioned by Lacy Scott & Knight, in Bury St Edmonds on Saturday 16th August 2014.

I was in the auction room when this item was sold.

I stopped bidding at


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Hi David,

More than 1000


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The price may be worth it - who knows? What I am certain of is that I had reached my limit and had to stop.

It was in a glass cabinet and was never removed, almost certainly because the label on the box is in a very fragile state. There was nothing to be gained by trying to take a photograph.

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Re : --30v and 491 Electric Dairy Van 'NCB' (1949-60)

Incredible, to pay such a lot of money for a poor, dirty piece of cardboard!
Rare it may be, but not something to proudly display ... better hide it in the back of a cupboard.
Well, it may benefit from some basic restoration.
Kind regards, Jan


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Re : --30v and 491 Electric Dairy Van 'NCB' (1949-60)

I just received a very nice 490 Electric Dairy Van "Express Dairy", but was advised in the pdf listings to post here under the 30v listing, which also includes 491.  In the past, I had the grey and blue NCB version, then earlier in the year I found a very nice Jobs Dairy Van.  A few weeks later I came across the cream NCB version, which gladly joined my collection.  Then very recently, I spotted a near mint Express Dairy van in cream, so here are a few photos of it, along with the others.

       Best regards,  Terry

 

 


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Browsing through the MM's I encountered this interesting article in MM of July 1951 about The Battery Electric Vehicle, of which the Dinky Toys Electric Dairy Van No. 30v as equivalent was issued from 1949-1960.

Dinky Toys 30v Electric Dairy Van in MM July 1951.

The Dairy Van with "Express Dairy" on the front was intended for the home market and were in 1954 renumbered to Model Number 490.

Dinky Toys 490 Electric Dairy Van "Express Dairy" creme-red. By courtesy of QDT.

Dinky Toys 490 Electric Dairy Van "Express Dairy" grey-blue. By courtesy of QDT.

The Dairy Van with "N.C.B." on his front was intended for the export and were in 1954 renumbered to model number 491.

Dinky Toys 491 Electric Dairy Van "N.C.B." creme-red. By courtesy of QDT.

Dinky Toys 491 Electric Dairy Van "N.C.B." grey-blue. By courtesy of QDT.

Here are my 2 main export versions without box.

Dinky Toys 30v Electric Dairy Van "N.C.B." 2 main versions.

As also shown in TMT I add pictures of this model out of the various catalogues.

Dinky Toys 30v Electric Dairy Van "Express Dairy" in Meccano price list UK March 1951.

Dinky Toys 30v Electric Dairy Van "N.C.B." in Dutch catalogue september 1951.

Dinky Toys 30v Electric Dairy Van "N.C.B." in USA catalogue 1951.

Dinky Toys 30v Electric Dairy Van "N.C.B." in Universal Internatonal colour catalogue May 1952.

Dinky Toys 30v Electric Dairy Van "Express Dairy" in UK catalogue 1953, equal to USA and Dutch catalogue 1953.

Dinky Toys 30v Electric Dairy Van "Express Dairy"  - without text on front - in UK and  USA catalogue 1954. 

Dinky Toys 30v Electric Dairy Van "N.C.B." in Dutch DT price list September 1954.

As you can see is the naming "Express Dairy" and "N.C.B." in the catalogues not always consistent and corresponding with the pictures of the model in the catalogue.

At the end a Dutch street vieuw in the 60's.

Milk factory on the Raiffeisenstraat in Enschede in the 60's with battery electric milk trucks.

Jan Oldenhuis, 29-10-2017.


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Re : --30v and 491 Electric Dairy Van 'NCB' (1949-60)

Nice to see this fine documentation, Jan. I wonder what difference made Meccano decide to make the respective home-market versus export choices for this model. As a child I assisted a friend's father occasionally on such an electric driven milk float!

Browsing through my photo files I found the one below, representing the present state of my dairy vans. The grey 'Express Dairy' is a candidate for replacement and the grey with maroon 'Express Dairy' is still wanting. Remarkable that the 'Job's Dairy' came in a later plain NCB box only. Does this mean that the 'NCB', was longer in production than the 'Express Dairy', or that there was simply a residue of NCB boxes left over? It is known that the die gave problems during production of the Job's Dairies promotional. Kind regards, Jan 


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Re : --30v and 491 Electric Dairy Van 'NCB' (1949-60)

How many of us remember when our milk was delivered on a horse-drawn float?

I was no more than five years old when our outer suburban London milk arrived courtesy of United Dairies. Drawn by a horse called 'Bluebell', the classic orange with white lettering liveried float was almost identical to the MB7 Lesney model.

I don't remember the milkman but I do recollect the milkman's 'boy' due to his owning a penknife, with which, if asked,  he would whittle a stick into a boat for the village pond.

This was before I had ever encountered a Dinky Toy.

John


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Nice account, John. My memory of the electric van is from my birth place. Paradoxically, when we moved to another town, around 1960, our milkman had a horse-drawn float too, and so did the greengrocer! Kind regards, Jan 


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Thanks Jan.

In 1960 I went to Grammar School and discovered that one of the boys in my class was the son of our milkman! After that I used to 'help' the milkman when he delivered in our locality. At that time many milk floats were, for taxation reasons I believe, three-wheelers (one at the front and two at the back) but there was enough room for two in the cab. My reward for this help was usually a bottle of chocolate milk.

Happy days!.


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Re : --30v and 491 Electric Dairy Van 'NCB' (1949-60)

This is a rare 30V darker grey body with maroon inner and hubs, plain black rubber tires of which a received a picture from Jose Heraud. He sent me this picture with 2 other pictures of his 30V vans with the following email:

"I also saw the Electric Diary van you contributed earlier. To add to the existing variations, there

is a darker grey body with maroon inner and hubs, plain black rubber tires that was probably

a test sample or a promotional commercial model, for an unknown client. There has been

several models sold in the last few years on eBay or auction houses(QDT, Vectis). I found mine

on eBay several years ago. A bit chipped but still a very rare model. I have a photo with two

other typical models to compare colors. The tampo transfer in front of the van is "Express Dairy"

in blue. I include some photos if you want to place it on the 30v/491 thread of the forum.

Some experts say this was a later model color scheme by Meccano using 'left-over' paint but it

has never appeared with an individual box. So, probably sold in packs of six, thus earlier issue?

Cheers, Jose."

Jose added also these 3 links that also shows this rare 30V variation:

http://qualitydiecasttoys.com/products/3700-D30V

https://www.vectis.co.uk/dinky-no-30v-electric-van-inch-express-dairy-inch-_485478?search_string=Dinky+Electric+Dairy+van&records_per_page=24&collections_id=past

https://www.vectis.co.uk/no_161765?search_string=Dinky+Electric+Dairy+van&records_per_page=24&collections_id=past

Jan Oldenhuis 10-11-2017

 


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Re : --30v and 491 Electric Dairy Van 'NCB' (1949-60)

Unfortunately Vectis has been off line for at least a couple of weeks.


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Jacques, how did you get this information? I've just tried it and the links om my PC are working well. I can just come online on Vectis website. I noticed that the website has been completely redesigned recently. At the beginning of the change, all photos of past auctions could not be downloaded, but now can. And I also get to see the prices when I log in.

Jan Oldenhuis, 10-11-2017


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No problems at all with the new Vectis site. Great job this improvement. Workes a lot faster! You simply have to get used to it.

John.


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Re : --30v and 491 Electric Dairy Van 'NCB' (1949-60)

Once in awhile, one gets a complete surprise as to something happening, or to possibly receive something special.  The latter just happend to me this past week, when my good friend and Dinky Toys collector, Jose Heraud, surprised me with a little box that came delivered to our house.  Upon opening it, I was shocked and most pleasantly surprised at what I found carefully wrapped:  the very rare, dark grey and maroon Express Dairy Van!  The very nice note accompanying it stated he was giving it to me to complete my little collection of these Dairy Vans, which I had worked on the past several years.  Having already found the other standard colors, as well as a nice Job's Dairy version, this dark grey and maroon one was but a fond dream, and not likely to happen as I decided last February to stop being an active collector.  But I am now the proud owner, and wanted to put together a quick post on this little truck.

    First, let me say there is an almost total lack of information about this model, either in any of the recognized books, such as the Great Book of Dinky Toys or even Dr. Force's guide books.  Dinky Toys and Modelled Miniatures makes a very brief mention of it, but no photos or description.  Searching the web I only found a few references to it.....one on Talk Model Toys and here, on our own DTCA site, and those both referenced Jose's model.  So we know very little about it, but I have surmised the following, based on what we do know and what I have seen to date:

    1. the only versions I have seen of this dark grey and maroon milk float, are always the Express Dairy version, all have the 30v cast onto the bottom (when pictured), and none have individual boxes.  In an earlier post, Jan mentioned that Meccano started using those numbers on the bases around mid-1952, which means it can't really be earlier than that.  But, these apparently only came in trade boxes, so that also limits the date of manufacture.  I don't remember exactly when Meccano started using individual boxes, but am guessing around 1953 or so....please correct me if that is not accurate.  That pretty well limits the time line for this model to around late 1952 to sometime in 1953.

     2.  These models are quite scarce and very few have come to market, and obvioiusly are not well known enough to be included in the extant reference books.  It is far easier to find the Job's Dairy version, and only around 1,100 of those were made, so I am guessing that maybe a few hundred of these were made...maybe as many as 500.  And since all the ones seen so far have been just the Express Dairy version, and not the NCB, that prompts me to think that likely only one batch was made this way.

     3.  The other big question, then, is the color.  I have included several photos of this little truck, some by itself, and some with its siblings.  The grey color on my later Express Dairy and NCB are much, much lighter....an all together different shade of grey.  So the question now is, was that shade of grey the same used on the early grey Express Dairy and NCB Vans, or was it a special color of grey used along with the maroon?  I do not have any early 1950's Express Dairy of NCB to compare it to, but maybe some others do........................

     4.  The last question will likely have no answer:  why?  Was this done especially for some manufacturer or company, such as the Job's Dairy version?  Very possible, and that would explain why the limited numbers and no catalog or other Meccano reference.  Running out of the blue paint is possible, but not likely either, and if the grey really was a different shade, than that leads to a definite reason for doing it.

     In any event, I am a very surprised and happy Dairy Van collector, and wanted to share with the group, and to also thank my dear friend Jose..............in any event, I have never seen a photo showing all six versions of the Dairy Van present, so herwith are some photos................

                   Best regards,

                            Terry


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Congratulations Terry, with this very special gift by Jose. This is the way true collector friends help each other. And this is the place to share it with others. Kind regards, Jan 


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Thanks Jan..... am hoping to get some additional comments about this rare model, with minimal information out there.
Best regards, Terry