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--25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

It was 26 years ago, September 25 1987, that I bought this nice green example of the 25d Petrol Tank Wagon. I had seen it in a shop in Amsterdam, the loose original radiator lying next to it. I made a reservation and when I returned a few days later in order to buy, the radiator was gone, lost. Well, despite my disappointment I bought it anyway, got a replacement radiator from a friend and had it fixed. But always I had the unpleasant feeling that - although the rest of the model itself was fine - it was not really OK. So, in improving the collection gradually, I had it for sale when I had an occasional stall in Houten during the past two years or so. Apparently I did not really want to part with it, because I never agreed with a lower price bid.
Today, I received an original radiator from our dear 25-series expert Tony Murphy, which he donated to me so generously, and after the fixing of the authentic radiator I immediately removed the price sticker underneath, re-establishing its status as a full member of my Dinky Toys collection! See the result, before and after: less shiny, but so very much more authentic!

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And after:

Regards, Jan


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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

Jan--That is a great story, and also one with a nice ending! I agree with you.....repainted or repro radiator shells just do not look right on these wonderful old trucks. Yours looks much better now and congrats on being able to find an original shell.
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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

Wonderful!
The 25 Series is one of my favourites, here's one of my old warriors.....

Should we have a 25 Series thread? There are hundreds of variations between all 4 types.
Chris Warr.


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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

Here is my only 25 series Petrol tanker. This is a late post war, export issue, with no decal and colored wheels. I bought this new from the U.S. distributor, H.Hudson Dobson, around 1959 for $.75.
And I also think a 25 series thread would be great to see!
Terry

 


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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

Not that difficult to create a 25 series thread. I just did!


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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

Well after one year and one month since the last message was posted by Jan, here is my sole contribution to the 25d Petrol Tanker thread! The little fella arrived in our household on 13 April 1999, having been part of Lot 322 in Wallis & Wallis auction held on 15 March. Of the twelve other Dinky Toys that formed this lot, they have gone to other homes far and wide, but I still have my "Pool" tanker. It is missing one headlight (I tend to think it is winking at me!) and one axle bracket at the front has broken, thus one has to be very careful not to damage the other bracket. A little chipped, but still nice, although I am envious of the first class examples that have been shown on this thread!!
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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

My contribution to this thread:

Not as nice as Jan's but I like it as a lovely example of Dinky at its finest, not full of gadgets, but a lovely representation of what was on our streets in the 1950s.

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Double tanker relatives:


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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

Lovely line up, Jan! Here are three of my favourite tankers.

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And 2 4th types. One orange and one orange/yellow (not faded)
Rob


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Guys--
Lots of nice tanker photos.....as Dave said, the tanker seems to embody a wonderful,simpler time from the late 1940's through early 1950's. The classic simplicity of the design speaks for itself.........
Terry


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Hi all,
Lovely orange and yellow T4's Rob! Never seen the yellow before!
Does your T1 Plain red have open cab rear windows? I found a very rough one this year and it's the only one I've ever seen.
Bruce, your Pool tanker is great, about as good as mine, and I love it, is it early postwar? I'm on the lookout for a white chassis on this one.
Chris Warr.


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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

Thanks Chris for your compliments - will pass your words onto the little "Pool"! It is early post-war, and I see you and I are also on the lookout for that elusive white chassis version, although I was shown a black chassis with just the white edging several years ago, but I was uncertain whether that was authentic, although the paintwork had slight chips and did appear old.
And as for you Rob, always bringing out the good stuff! But those 1st series with the square radiator - fantastic and so true to the prototype AEC.
Bruce


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Hi Chris, No my red plain T1 does not have open rear cab windows. I have seen very few of this version. It is on my wants list!!
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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

Hi all,
Shown these before but here's my early T1 and Postwar Pool T2......


You can easily see the casting flash on the rear windows that resulted in these being blanked off.

Chris Warr


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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

Some more post-war 25d photos:


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Three 4th type Tankers with colored hubs.
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Hi all,

Here are three pre war tankers, that were on the train lay-out I described under the 280 Delivery Vans. This lay out must have been fantastic as there were around sixty(!) Dinky Toys on it. I have asked the seller for pictures, but sofar nothing was found by him. Anyway I am happy with the fine pre war Dinky Toys I was able to buy from this fabulous collection.

Kind regards,

Rob.  

 


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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

   I just received a new to me very nice example of the 25 series Tanker, a very early post war version, with the open Type 2 chassis, smooth wheels, and white tires.  It arrived in quite good condition and the paint is very smooth and glossy.  It will make a nice companion piece to my earlier Type 4 Tanker, purchased new from H. Hudson Dobson old stock around 1959.  that one is a little unusual, in that it not only has the colored wheels, but also no "petrol"  decal on the side. it is interesting to compare these earlier versions, with the later Type 4 to see just how different they were.  The Type 4's had the enlarged mud guards, front bumper, and then went to the smaller size tires, which changes the height of the truck.  I had not notice before how much larger the rear mud guards also are on the Type 4.  I now have several early post war models with the white tires, and even though not very realistic, I do like the period charm they seem to add.

       Best regards,  Terry


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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

When you wrote me privately, Terry, I presumed that we have the same version of the green Petrol Tanker, and it is! Especially the smooth hubs and white tyres make the similarity striking. I have joined our examples by photo and it appears remarkable that the PETROL stamp on your example is considerably fatter than on mine even though they appear to make part of (almost) the same production run. The basic typography, shape details, positioning, spacing, however, seems to be exactly the same, whereas that can be different on other tanker examples (of different types). I wonder if this has to do with wear, force used or perhaps more stamps of exactly the same type (but perhaps of different quality) used at the same time. Kind regards, Jan 


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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

Jan---Very interesting observation....I had not noticed that yet.  And it does appear that our two tankers were from a very similar era in production.  I wonder if they had multiple stamps for more than one person doing the stamping?  That still would not necessarily explain why mine is fatter, unless they were a somewhat generic stamp, and am sure Dinky had them made outside, so they could be slightly different.  On the other hand, Dinky always seemed pretty meticulous with very specific dimensions and instructions on most things they made.  I have no idea if those stamps were somewhat soft, and that by pressing harder, would it make the letters fatter?   If that were the case, I wonder then wonder about their consistency in other ways.  Perhaps Jacques can shed some light on this!

    On another note, I wanted to ask you about my very late Type 4 Tanker, shown above.  As you can clearly see, there are no remains whatsoever of silver or nickel color on the radiator.  Every other 25 series truck or 36 series car retains at least some small trace, whereas this one looks completely clean.  That leads me to wonder if very late, Dinky simply stopped applying that, and the last models went out like this.  Would anyone care to comment on that?  I have never seen another example quite like mine.................

                    Best regards,  Terry


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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

It is very likely that there were several stamps for the word PETROL just in case one would get damaged during a production run. They may even have been used at the same time on the production line.


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Re : --25d Petrol Tank Wagon (1934-50)

A new addition to my 25d Petrol Tank Wagon fleet, the pre-war Wakefield Castrol Motor Oil livery, type 2. Not 100% in authentic condition as the wheel hubs have been touched in, but the rest of the body in unusual healthy condition. Perhaps nice to demonstrate an additional type 1 example with tinplate grill for comparison (a scanned photoprint which I made about 20-25 years ago, formerly Pieter Soellaart Collection). Kind regards, Jan 


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Jan—-A beautiful pre-war example, in very good condition. A very nice livery and decal....
Best regards, Terry