Tue, 10/27/2015 - 01:26
#1
--23g, 233 and 208 Cooper-Bristol Racing Car (1952-64)
I have brought up this issue at TMT some time ago, so I think it would not hurt to bring it to your attention here again. I am talking about the base plate of the 23G/233 Cooper Bristol Racing Car and to support my point I enclose a picture of all the variations known:
From Top:
1. First issue with mottled base plate 23G (correct lettering from left to right)
2. Second issue with mottled base plate 233 (reversed lettering)
3. Third issue with shiny base plate 233 (correct letteringfrom left to right)
4. Fourth issue with spun hubs and shiny base plate 233 (reversed lettering)
5. Fifth issue with plastic hubs and shiny base plate 233 (correct lettering from left to right)
How come the Cooper Bristol is the only one of the six Dinky Racers where base plates have been wrongly attached again and again?
Any help?
Regards from Thailand
Walter
Tue, 10/27/2015 - 06:51
#2
Hi Walter, no doubt you checked your other five contemporaries of this series and they did not show that odd reversing. I cannot explain. The minority of those you show are wrong, as the text should read from front to the rear. But the repeated mistake was made before attaching already. As this base plate it is not symmetrical it cannot have been wrongly attached. Before attaching it was reversely embossed.
By the way, my (only) 23g is correct in this respect. Kind regards, Jan
Tue, 10/27/2015 - 09:05
#3
Jan,
You are right, of course. I assume the process of making base plates is 1.) embossing the letters, 2.) punching/cutting out the base plate, then mounting/riveting. Therefore the mistake must have happened when punching/cutting took place.
Maybe they wrongly punched too many of them so they didn't wanted to throw them away, because who would notice anyway!
Further, I noticed that all the wrongly cut base plates are of the shiny variety, therefore post 1958. So far I have not seen any wrong earlier mottled base plates on a Cooper Bristol.
Walter
Wed, 10/28/2015 - 01:43
#4
Looking at my Cooper-Bristols, I found a small variation in the casting: Unlike the first 23G Cooper-Bristols, all the later 233 Cooper-Bristols (from 1953/54 onward) carried small vertical lines on both sides behind the racing numbers, which have become a little fatter too.
Any explantion regarding these lines?
Regards
Walter
Mon, 10/05/2020 - 10:08
#5
Dear Walter,
The raised lines are used to position the racing numbers, they have the same use as the circle on some other racing cars. Why this was not done to the other models of this series will remain one of many Meccano mysteries. Meccano France used a blue line on some of their transfers to position the racing numbers properly.
My reason for visiting this post today is that I am looking for the date of introduction of the plastic hubs on this set of racing cars. Can any one help ? Is it 1962 ?
Thanks and regards
Jacques
Mon, 10/05/2020 - 11:42
#6
Hi Jacques, always nice to hear from you.
Hope this helps.
brgds
Walter
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 14:25
#7
Hello, could anybody confirm whether this model was issued in a trade box as I expect. The only trade boxes I have seen are the 23k Lago & the 23f Alpha-Romeo.
My question also applies to the 23j, 23h, 23n.
David
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 14:58
#8
Here is the 234 Ferrari
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 09:57
#9
Thank you will add this picture to my wants list it still amaes me what is out there, but still would like to see if the prenumbering trade boxes exist. I think these are referred to as "Outers" and not"Trade Boxes"
David
-641 Army 1-Ton Cargo Truck (1954-62)
-641 Army 1-Ton Cargo Truck (1954-62)
--24c/24cp and 522 Citroën DS 19 (1956-19..) and 530 Citroën DS 19 berline 1963 (1964-70) and DS 23 berline 1969 (1976-78) (2)
--24c/24cp and 522 Citroën DS 19 (1956-19..) and 530 Citroën DS 19 berline 1963 (1964-70) and DS 23 berline 1969 (1976-78) (2)
--24c/24cp and 522 Citroën DS 19 (1956-19..) and 530 Citroën DS 19 berline 1963 (1964-70) and DS 23 berline 1969 (1976-78) (2)
--24c/24cp and 522 Citroën DS 19 (1956-19..) and 530 Citroën DS 19 berline 1963 (1964-70) and DS 23 berline 1969 (1976-78) (2)
--24c/24cp and 522 Citroën DS 19 (1956-19..) and 530 Citroën DS 19 berline 1963 (1964-70) and DS 23 berline 1969 (1976-78) (2)
-641 Army 1-Ton Cargo Truck (1954-62)
-161b and 690 Anti-Aircraft Gun on Trailer (1939-55)
-161b and 690 Anti-Aircraft Gun on Trailer (1939-55)
--30a and 32 Chrysler Airflow Saloon (1935-48)
--30a and 32 Chrysler Airflow Saloon (1935-48)
--23g, 233 and 208 Cooper-Bristol Racing Car (1952-64)
--30a and 32 Chrysler Airflow Saloon (1935-48)
--30a and 32 Chrysler Airflow Saloon (1935-48)
--23g, 233 and 208 Cooper-Bristol Racing Car (1952-64)
--30a and 32 Chrysler Airflow Saloon (1935-48)
--23g, 233 and 208 Cooper-Bristol Racing Car (1952-64)
--24c/24cp and 522 Citroën DS 19 (1956-19..) and 530 Citroën DS 19 berline 1963 (1964-70) and DS 23 berline 1969 (1976-78) (2)
--24s and 534 Simca 8 Sport (1952-1960)
--24s and 534 Simca 8 Sport (1952-1960)
--24c/24cp and 522 Citroën DS 19 (1956-19..) and 530 Citroën DS 19 berline 1963 (1964-70) and DS 23 berline 1969 (1976-78) (2)
Axle ends
--24c/24cp and 522 Citroën DS 19 (1956-19..) and 530 Citroën DS 19 berline 1963 (1964-70) and DS 23 berline 1969 (1976-78) (2)
-521, 921and 409 Bedford Articulated Lorry (1948-63)
-521, 921and 409 Bedford Articulated Lorry (1948-63)
-105 Triumph TR2 Touring Finish (1957-60)
--24c/24cp and 522 Citroën DS 19 (1956-19..) and 530 Citroën DS 19 berline 1963 (1964-70) and DS 23 berline 1969 (1976-78) (2)
-521, 921and 409 Bedford Articulated Lorry (1948-63)
--23e and 221 'Speed of the Wind' Racing Car (1936-56)
New arrivals
-105 Triumph TR2 Touring Finish (1957-60)
New arrivals
New arrivals
-111 Triumph TR2 Competition Finish (1956-59)