--38e Triumph Dolomite Roadster (not issued)
--40a and 158 Riley Saloon (1947-55)
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Amazing hidden car collection in Dordrecht in the Netherlands
I've just picked up the 431 Guy Warrior wagon shown below. Box is tatty, but the truck with windows is better than the play worn one without windows that I already had.
Hi, very nice acquisition. I prefer windows-less Dinky Toys, but if I had to choose I'd make the same choice as you did!
Kind regards, Jan
Thought I would add my latest acquisition - a 431 Guy Warrior 4-Ton Lorry complete with its nice box, although one outer flap has become detached.
Never having had one of these beasts in my care before, I was surprised to see that the back still has 511 from the original Guy 4-Ton Lorry! It seems that Meccano never got around to changing the die to represent the "new" 431 Guy (Otter) 4-ton Lorry and finally the 431 Guy Warrior. Is this the usual back on the Guy Warrior? Hopefully RSSierra can check out his two models!! What about you Jacques?
The Guy and its box came from Southend-on-Sea in Essex.
24 February 2016
It's the same story on the 432 warrior flat truck, Bruce. The back is still stamped 512 .
Thank you Al. It is interesting though that the first sales number is still apparent. Thank you for responding to my Post - more than appreciated.
1 March 2016
Perhaps some persistent casting numbers were too difficult to remove from the mouldings, or there were oversights, or there was not enough time at the time to make changes. 911 and 913 continued to show the old casting numbers on the backs. 30v the electric van went through two paint variations 491/492 without casting alteration. 989 the auto transporter, continued with the marking 984 from its car carrier guise. Simca Cargo trucks in whatever new variation - box back, tipper, wagon, glazier - all retain the same 33 number. My 893 saharien pipe truck still has 36a struck into the trailer as a hangover from its Willeme days.
i would like to add some photo's of my 431 Guy Warrior 4 ton lorry in red and green.
It is in played with condition, so are all my Guy Warriors.
As Jacques Dujardin mentions on his CD about this version: This is rare because the red body and chassis is that of the 920 Guy Warrior Heinz Ketchup van, it has a Supertoys base as opposed to the Dinky Toys base of the normal 431 and 432. It has windows and the rear bed is riveted to the chassis.
My photo's also show my other Guy Warriors.
It is clear that this version has the chassis of the Heinz version as can be seen on the underside.
It also has the back of the normal 431and the hubs of the 432.
The Heinz van was deleted in 1961, so this version is probably from that year made of leftovers.
Very interesting model ..... as I like very much ! ! Variantes, variantes !!! my motivation to increase my collection. It helps to find new stories about the manufacture of our Dinky Toys !!
The story of these Guy Warrior bases seems to be quite complicated. I have a tan 431 with Dinky Supertoys on the base. However, the casting isn’t identical to the 920 one which was used on the red version. Firstly, this one has no windows, and secondly the Dinky Supertoys lettering is slightly larger! I don’t have the red version to compare, but the photo below alongside a Snowplough shows the difference (and also compare to the red/green example shown earlier in this thread). I’m sorry my photos aren’t great, but my phone doesn’t take very good pictures (in my hands at least!).
The underside of the cab has no window spigot, and there is a 0 cast there. My 432 (with Dinky Toys base) has a 1 cast there.
Looking at my 432 Guy Warriors, I noticed that the version without windows (top of the photo) has the words Dinky Toys cast slightly larger than on the one with windows. The difference isn’t great, but it is clearly noticeable if you look closely.
Late models don’t have the little “pip” in the centre of the tinplate base. What was the purpose of this “pip”, and why was it later removed?
I can not answer your question about the pip.
I took a look at the inside of the cabs of my tan and green version without windows.
My green version has a 0 and my tan version a 1 !
The marking 0 and 1 on the cab's ceiling means that there were two dies used at the same time for this cab / chassis. This is not surprising as this casting has been used for four different models over a production period of seven years.
This is not a single case, other models are known to have been made with two different moulds, for example the 25 series chassis, the Guy Vixens, the Bedford TK trucks, the French Dinky Simca Cargo ref. 33 and several others.
As the window glazing was added in January 1960 two years after this model was issued, all the models made before this date did not have the window spigot on the cab's ceiling.
A little advice for better pictures, use natural light, never use the flash except for the military models, use a contrasting back ground.
The meaning of the bump or on some models depression on the base plate is not known (yet) this has been discussed some where else on this forum but without an explanation. This bump may have been used to position the plates accurately in the embossing presses. Many Dinky Toys have one, two and even three (see the fire engine ref. 250) such bumps.
Here is the list of Dinky Toys and Supertoys with such a depression :
101 Sunbeam Alpine 1957 - 60
102 M.G. Midget (2 depressions) 1957 - 60
104 Aston DB3S 1957 - 60
107 Sunbeam Alpine 1955 - 59
108 MG TF Midget (2 depressions) 1955 - 59
109 Austin Healey 100 (2 depressions) 1955 - 59
110 Aston DB3S 1956 - 59
110 Aston Martin DB 5 1956 - 59
115 Plymouth Furry sport (2 depressions) 1965 - 69
129 M.G. Midget (2 depressions) 1955 - 56
131 Cadillac Eldorado (2 depressions) 1956 - 63
133 Cunningham racer (2 depressions) 1955 - 60
154 Hillman Minx 1951 - 58
157 Jaguar XK 120 1954 - 62
160 Austin A30 1958 - 62
163 Bristol 450 (2 depressions) 1956 - 60
164 Vauxhall Cresta (2 depressions) 1957 - 60
167 AC Aceca Coupe 1958 - 63
168 Singer Gazelle 1959 - 63
181 VW 1200 1956 - 69
182 Porsche 356 A 1958 - 65
183 Fiat 600 (2 depressions) 1958 - 60
235 H.W.M. 1959 - 60
237 Mercedes Benz racing car. 1957 - 68
250 Streamlined fire engine (3 depressions) 1954 - 62
343 Farm produce wagon (2) depressions 1950 - 54
344 Estate car 1954 - 61
413 Austin covered wagon 1950 - 60
414 Rear tipping wagon (Dodge Kew) (2 depressions) 1950 - 54
417 Leyland Comet lorry 1949 - 54
418 Comet wagon with hinged tailboard 1954 - 59
419 Leyland Comet cement wagon 1953 - 59
420 Forward control lorry 1948 - 61
431 Guy "Warrior" 4-ton lorry 1958 - 64
432 Guy "Warrior" flat truck 1958 - 64
621 Three ton army wagon 1954 - 63
622 Foden 10 ton army truck 1954 - 64
625 Austin military covered wagon 1951 - 54
626 Military ambulance 1956 - 65
643 Army water tanker 1958 - 64
661 Scammel recovery tractor (2 depressions) 1957 - 65
918 Guy van "Ever Ready". 1955 - 58
919 Guy van "Golden Shred" 1957 - 58
920 Guy "Warrior" van Heinz. 1960 - 61
930 Bedford Pallet Jekta van 1960 - 64
934 Leyland Octopus wagon (2 depressions)1956 - 64
935 Leyland Octopus flat truck chains (2 depressions) 1964 - 66
943 Leyland Octopus tanker "Esso" 1958 - 64
961 Blaw Knox bulldozer 1949 - 64
963 Blaw Knox heavy tractor 1948 - 59
972 Coles 20 ton lorry mounted crane. 1955 - 69