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--22a and 505 Maserati 2000 Sport (1958-1961)

I bought a French 22a Maserati dark red on eBay, which has not yet been delivered to me.

I doubt he is completely original. The exhaust is painted silver, but  I did not found silver exhaust in other same models.  I think that this is not original and the exhaust through the pre owner is silver repainted and belongs to be red, but I can't confirm that in any literature.

Can someone help me with this question. I add the pictures of Ebay, because I did not yet receive the model. I collect already some information, if necessary to respond to the seller.

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I received the car today and made pictures of it, as well as I can do this.

I am not a specialist, but I must say that the exhaust really looks like to be original silver painted from the beginning and that it has not recently done given the blurring of the silver color. I think it is very difficult to paint the exhaust silver as accurate in this case, because when you do it manual you get mostly to much paint at some places.

I hope, among others, at a response from Jacques Dujardin as a specialist of French cars. Is it known if Dinky France issued Dinky 22a with a silver painted exhaust?

Regards, Jan Oldenhuis

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Hallo Jan, Jacques is still ill - but recovering - and off-line. May be Richard can be of help, with his extensive knowledge of variations in this field. As I am concerned, I re-checked the relevant books and sites, but I did not find an example with silver exhausts. Even the green prototype does not seem to have them. So I cannot confirm or explain. Your model is a beauty after all. I found a photo of mine, with a nice explanatory text on the side of the (crushed) box. Vriendelijke groet, Jan W

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Jacques' Encyclopaedia cites several shades of red on this model, as well as a rare cream interior on the early issue, but there is no record of painted exhaust pipes.

In any case, what a beautiful car, and model, this is!

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Jan W and Johnny. Thanks for your contribution and I wish Jacques all the best for his recovery.

Regards Jan O

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Jan & Jan

It is the first Maserati that I see with silver exhaust. I would think that this is home made superdetailing. The mask that would have been used to do this would have been too fragile the very narow space between both exhausts. Lets wait until a couple more come out to be more acurate.

he very poor drawing on the boxes does not even show the exhausts.

Jacques (100)

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Jacques, thank you very much for your response. Upon closer inspection, I also think that it is self-made homework. It is also not painted accurate.

Indeed. A bad drawing of J.M on the box by drawing the left side of the car without the 2 exhausts.

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Jan Oldenhuis 3-6-2017

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The box illustration is not shown here yet, so I thought I'd make a scan now. Here it is. Although there are many excellent designs by Jean Massé, he also produced some remarkable exceptions like this one, sometimes with unexplicable mistakes as perspective is concerned. Kind regards, Jan W.

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The box has been drawn from the poor wooden mock-up.

Photo from "Les Dinky Toys et Dinkysupertoys Français" By J.M. Roulet page 101

bout the exhaust, J.M. Roulet writes  : "Le pot d'échapement n'est pas souligné en argent". Wich in English reads : "The exhaust silencer is not painted silver". Page 102 of Roulet's. This confirms my thoughts.

Jacques.

 

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Jacques, thank you very much for this picture and your very valuable addition and explanation to this question. There is no doubt possible. This clearly confirms that the exhausts were not painted in silver.

I have the Dutch translation of Jean Michel Roulet's book and unfortunately this picture and information is not in this book.

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Jan Oldenhuis 6-6-2017

 

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This picture is not in the French (first) edition either. Only in the considerably augmented second edition - and in French only.

Thanks for reminding us Jacques, kind regards Jan 

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Jan, can you add information about the ISBN number of this French second edition. And how much pages. It would be very fine if you could add a picture of this part of information out of this book. I want to buy this book but want to know sure I get the correct edition. I miss too much information outside the Dutch edition.

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Jan Oldenhuis 6-6-2017

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The Dutch translation of the first edition is horrible, as you may have experienced too, a source for misunderstandings. This is the title you asked for, Jan:

Jean-Michel Roulet, La légende des Dinky Toys et Dinky Supertoys français Meccano 1934-1981. Evreux : Editions Atlas, 2012. 527p., ill. in colour, 23 x 27 cm. ISBN 978-2-7312-4907-1

Note: Cover title slightly different from official title page title!

Kind regards, Jan W.

 

 

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Here after the last version with concav hubs.

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Richard

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Today I received this new book from Jean-Michel Roulet himself with a short letter from him.

I am very happy with it. It is the latest edition and has much more information (527 pages) then the Dutch one (408 pages) and the pictures of models are in colour instead of black and white of the Dutch edition.

Kind regards,

Jan Oldenhuis 9-6-2017

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Hi Jan, that is incredibly quick, a mere two days after I supplied you with the additional bibliographic details!

Nice to have a personal note by Roulet included. Congratulations.

Richard, your photo confirms that these later issues appear to have a brighter red finish than the early ones. Kind regards, Jan W