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--62n Junkers Ju 90 Air Liner (1938-1941)

From Berlin, bought as a real bargain in September 2007, this Junkers Ju 90 airliner. When it arrived I tried to imagine how this Dinky Toy survived the war over there (like many other Dinky Toys on many other war-stricken places in Europe). It was without a box and missing one propeller, but still displaying very nicely. I was extremely glad with it, my first pre-war Dinky aeroplane. I bought a new replacement for the propeller and it dangled on a chain in my display for nine years. 

Early this year I found a very nice box for this model, at last. I asked John if he could confirm that this box was a credible match to this very model, and he did, so I struck and bought it. And so did John help me with a true original replacement for the replica propeller that I had fixed nine years ago. Now that my new display unit has just been completed it is one of the proud pre-war planes (of seven) on display, sitting on its box and complete with four original propellers. Admittedly, the propeller pin is not just correct, but there is always something to complain about ... or to improve!

Kind regards, Jan 


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Re : --62n Junkers Ju 90 Air Liner (1938-1941)

Jan--Very nice to see that the Junkers has now come "full circle", and is back in its original guise.  How nice that you were able to find a nice original box, and then a propeller too........a great story of collecting success!

        Best regards,  Terry


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Re : --62n Junkers Ju 90 Air Liner (1938-1941)

Sorry, my previous post on the subject went badly adrift and this is what I was about to say.

Model changes and identity issues re the 62n Junkers Ju-90 are even more chaotic than usual.  As the lovely model illustrated reveals, when first issued in 1938 as the 62n Junkers Ju 90 Air Liner it was named as such, had a gliding hole in the top and bore a reasonably close resemblance to the real thing.  With the outbreak of war in 1939, rather than turn out a model of a real German bomber like a Heinkel He-111, they gave their Ju-90 airliner a coat of semi-matt black paint on top, semi-matt pale blue below, eliminated the gliding hole, applied black crosses outlined in white to the wings, swastikas to the tail fins, and in 1940 pretended it was a German four-engined bomber called the Junkers Ju-89.

There was a real Junkers Ju-89 bomber.  It was not put into production and only two prototypes were built as far as I am aware. Although in plan view it bore a close resemblance to a Ju-90, the fuselarge and fins were quite different.  So the Dinky 67a (as it was re-numbered) 'Heavy Bomber Junkers JU 89' was a bit of a fraud. It was in production only for around a year, and is therefore quite scarce and rare, commanding some quite high prices.

What worries me a little is that in 1939 the 'Ju 90' became the 62y 'Giant High Speed Monoplane' which continued in production after the war from 1946 to 1949.  Anyone wishing to turn a Giant High Speed Monoplane into a Ju-89 would have no difficulty at all, the only giveaway are the words 'Giant High Speed Monoplane' stamped underneath. Therefore I am a little suspicious when I see these words on models purporting to be Ju-89's, especially if the crosses and swastikas are decals.  However, knowing Dinky Toys, it is quite possible that the factory converted Giant High Speed Monoplanes to Junkers Ju-89's themselves.  Does anyone know if this actually Happened? 

All the best,

Jake.


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Re : --62n Junkers Ju 90 Air Liner (1938-1941)

Hello Jake,

Junkers first designed the bomber Ju 89. After the dead of General Wever the project was cancelled. Junkers used most of the components for the design of the Ju 90, first plane "Der Grosse Dessauer".It is indeed strange that Meccano made a model of the Ju 89. A drawing of the Heinkel He 111 was made, Job no 12114 d.d. 30-3-40, but never went into production for clear reasons. The drawing of the He 111 is in my collection. All the Ju 89 models (seven) in my collection have a gliding hole. Meccano used sometimes castings from standard planes to create a more atractive model. Armstrong Whitworth liner became the colored Brirish 40-seater airliner. The Empire flying boat became the rare Atlantic flying boat.

The name change always was done by a interchangeable insert in the die, and not stamped as can be seen on the original drawings in my collection. Under wings you can alway see the casting lines of the tools with name.

The Junkers Ju 90 became the Giant High speed monoplane, D-AZBK, available in 6 different colors. After 1945 the die was used with the same name for a "Junkers" model with registration G-ATBK.

In my collection a factory error. A camouflaged Ju 89 62y with name Giant High speed monoplane under wing. Probably the tool was not changed with the correct name.

John.


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Re : --62n Junkers Ju 90 Air Liner (1938-1941)

Hello John,

Thank you very much for your most informative comment on the Ju89/90.  It's really great to know that DTCA has people with your degree of specialised knowledge.  Wouldn't it have been marvelous if the He-111 had been made?  I saw plenty of the real things during the war and we small boys would have loved a Dinky He-111 or Ju-88 to play the 'baddies' to be shot down by our Hurricanes and Spitfires.  We knew the so-called Dinky 'Ju-89' was a phoney and felt cheated!  I've  always liked the Ju-90 airliner.  Thought it looked very futuristic with its semi-sweptback wings.  Was it diesel engined like the Ju-86P?

Your collection sounds fantasic.  I appreciate your taking the trouble to acquaint me with the facts.

Best regards,

Jake (620).


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Re : --62n Junkers Ju 90 Air Liner (1938-1941)

Hallo Jake,

Meccano produced the same casting for the Ju 90, Ju 89 and the colored High Speed Monoplane. The names were on inserts in the die and could changed. So with one die more model names were possible on castings. Of course this could go wrong and factory errors can thus be found. One of my Ju 89 is such a error. See picture.

The Ju 89 Dinky you can find with and without gliding game hole. Without is harder to find. Unfortunately the drawing has not come to light. However we know from other drawings that the hole was deleted at the drawings very late 1940 or even 1945.

The real Junkers Ju 90 had 4 830 hp BMW 132 H 9 cylinder aircooled engines, no diesel. Just 14 produced and at the end were just Luftwaffe transport planes.

I enclose pictures of the different inserts, Ju 89, High Speed Monoplane on Ju 89 and High Speed monoplane on the color version of Ju 90.

John.


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Re : --62n Junkers Ju 90 Air Liner (1938-1941)

Dear John,

re Dinky Ju-89, 90 and 'Giant High Speed Monoplane'.  Thank you so much for the information and the great photographs, especially the gen on  the engines of the real Ju-90. (I'd always wondered.)

Best wishes, Jake.