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Re : -965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck (1955-69)

Bruce - thanks for transferring the photos for me, and in answer to your query regarding the exhaust pipes, they are both actually the same length (14.3mm from mounting ring) although the Terex one wasn't as tightly rivetted as the Euclid, and has about half a millimetre of free movement giving the effect of being shorter. Also, upon closer inspection, the grille mesh on the Terex is noticeably coarser than that on the Euclid.
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Re : -965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck (1955-69)

It was not possible to change the Euclid marking into Terex, the whole front of the truck (radiator, headlights, bumper) is from a new part of the die. This explains why the grill is coarser on the Terex the die of which never got as worn as the Euclid because much fewer Terex were made.


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Re : -965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck (1955-69)

Greetings all!

Herewith is a chronological series of images of the grille of the Euclid:

On the left is a model packaged in September 1955. On the right is a model packaged in January 1956

The left photograph is of the grille of a model packaged in January 1958, and on the right the grille of a model packaged in December 1960

The model on the left is in a blue-striped box, no inspection date decipherable (one with three rows of numerals) but with a green spot, which dates it from about 1962. The fact that a large percentage of the grille is "filled in" may have been due to an excessive paint being the culprit, rather than a dramatic change in the mould. On the right is the grille of a model packaged in a yellow half pictorial scene lidded box issued after the blue striped boxes had been deleted.

On the left also packaged in a yellow pictorial lidded box, but with no transfers on the tipper unit. The model on the right was packaged in an end-flap pictorial box

The final image above is a Euclid with RED HUBS, also packaged in an end-flap pictorial box. No doubt one of the last issues of the Euclid before the advent of the Terex.

With the release of the Terex, we do notice something similar with an earlier Euclid casting and this can be seen in the following images of the three Terex models I have in my collection.

Look carefully at the area on the bottom right for the last three Euclids - one can see identical filled-in areas with the Terex. I will leave it to others to make their own deductions on whether the entire grille area including the upper radiator was a new casting for the Terex or not. My view is that what Jacques has stated is not exactly correct.

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Re : -965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck (1955-69)

An interesting link, supplied by a member of the Planet Diecast forum: toysnz.com/Dinky965-G_EuclidRearDumpTruck. (link is external)

I haven't read or checked every detail yet, but it may be interesting for 965 Euclid fans to do so! Kind regards, Jan 


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Re : -965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck (1955-69)

Some Euclid trucks testing a new bridge on the route nationale 7 near Donzère (France) circa 1948.


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Re : -965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck (1955-69)

Jacques a very nice picture of the Euclids of that time. Same trucks as the Dinky Toys models. Disciplined as a military column. Euclid tractors left and Euclid trucks right. Striking that the tractors have the same front as the trucks. A nice advertisement for the Euclid factory. Here a picture of my Euclid Terex variations with box.

Jan Oldenhuis 14-9-2017


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Re : -965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck (1955-69)

Jacques - Thank you for posting the photograph of a fleet of Euclid R-15s hard at work as weighing machines to test the strength of a bridge in France. Presume there is a bridge there somewhere!  Hopefully you may uncover the rest of the sequence of pictures of this flock of tractors and R-15s actually on that bridge!

To compliment Jacques' photograph, here are some further photographs of Euclid R-15s at work around the globe - from England and all the way down to New Zealand and Australia.

Up first are two photographs of some of the Euclid R-15s that were imported into New Zealand from England on behalf of the Department of Public Works for use in various hydro-electricity projects.  A total of 124 R-15s were imported from the late 1940s consisting of various models, 49FD, 82FD, B3FD, B6FD and B7FD, with the Rolls-Royce powered B6FD type being the most numerous. Many of these work-horses were still in operation into the 1970s, and indication of the strength that had been built into them by the manufacturer.

Another R-15, this one working near Darwin in 1949 during the construction of the new civilian and military airfield.

A new R-15 being loaded onboard a freighter with its destination being Angola, South West Africa.

At work in Leicestershire, United Kingdom:

A handsome duo of Euclid R-15s "somewhere in England".  These must be brand-new as the paintwork appears untouched, as well as the engines still have their side covers which were invariably dispensed to assist cooling the enormous engine.

To round up this section, a couple of colour images, the first being a R-15 Model B3FD hard at work, followed by a flock of R-15s lined up during the removal of overburden at an open-cut coal mine, some with their engine side-covers removed.

Now Jan - nice to see your "flock" of 965 Euclid Rear Dump Trucks.  As you know, the 965 has always been one of my favourite Dinky Toys, and naturally, I have accumulated quite a fleet over the years - and here they are - photographed in the wee hours of this morning while the CEO was fast asleep. It took me ages to set it up, using my two 666s plus my boxed Fodens and many other models such as my 184 Volvos to provide the height so that the rows can be "stepped up" and readily seen!  The result was not quite what I was hoping, but none-the-less, it will have to do as I do not envisage undertaking that set-up any time too soon.  My camera is also suffering from the effects of having been dropped on our driveway earlier this week when I had forgotten to zip up the camera bag! The sound of it hitting concrete was identical to the last time I dropped a camera - in Binns Road, Liverpool in 2005!  I therefore apologiize profusely for both images that are not entirely in focus.

With the following not using a flash to bring out the shade of yellow used for those models packaged in the traditional blue-striped box and the remainder in the later yellow and red pictorial lided box and pictorial end-flap boxes that have a tinge of green added to the yellow - or at least that is what my bloodshot eyes were seeing - the effect not readily noticeable when using the flash.

I still have the military green wheel version to obtain, but the above represents all the current variations in the models as well as the boxes.

TOP ROW, Left to Right

Blue striped box, DINKY SUPERTOYS, price 8/11 plain insignia                        September 1955  OO955

Blue striped box, DINKY SUPERTOYS, price 16/- (Australia) red insignia          January 1956      AM 1 56

Blue striped box, DINKY SUPERTOYS, red insignia                                           January 1958      1  K  58

Window glazing added 13 Jan 1960

Blue striped box, Green Spot DINKY SUPERTOYS, red insignia, WINDOWS     October 1960       1060 LO

SECOND ROW FROM THE TOP, Left to Right

Blue striped box, DINKY SUPERTOYS, red insignia, No Windows,                    December 1960 1260Y  B

Blue striped box, Marked “With Windows” DINKY SUPERTOYS, red insignia, WINDOWS  November 1961 J O 3 1161

Yellow/red Picture Box, front wheel round-side outer, no pinion stopper

Yellow/red Picture Box, front wheel assembled same way as rear wheels, as from 23 May 63, no pinion stopper

THIRD ROW FROM THE TOP

Yellow/red Picture Box, front wheel round-side outer, no STONE-ORE-EARTH, pinion stopper, added as from 26 Jan 67

Pictorial end-flap box, EUCLID, yellow hubs, no pinion stopper

Pictorial end-flap box, EUCLID, red hubs, no pinion stopper

Pictorial end-flap box, EUCLID base, TEREX cab dated from 3 Jan 69, pinion stopper

FOURTH ROW FROM THE TOP

Pictorial end-flap box, TEREX, red hubs, pinion stopper, 72pence

Picture box with white background, TEREX, pinion stopper, rear wheels assembled with round-side outer (most likely a factory error)

FIFTH ROW

Picture box with white background, TEREX, pinion stopper, purchased June 1970

At least two of the above models "may" not be in the correct box - these were how I acquired them. The culprits are the blue striped box, fourth one down with the model not having window glazing, and one other in either the yellow and red picture box, or pictorial end flap box that I have forgotten which one it is! The later period when Meccano no longer bothered to quality check and stamp the inside of the box lid is the period difficult to match the exact time frames.

Kind regards to you all

Bruce Hoy   (150)

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Re : -965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck (1955-69)

I thought I was mad with my dozen variants of the 555/955 Fire Engine - but now I feel reassuredwink 

Bruce, wonderful still-life photos and specification of details! Kind regards, Jan 


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Bruce, a beautiful collection of Euclid's and beautiful pictures of the Euclid's working in the field. You have done a lot of work in this forum to explain and promote this model in all his details. Many thanks for that. A great job to complete such a beautiful collection complete with their box. Congratulations.

Kind regards,

Jan Oldenhuis, 16-9-2017.


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Bruce.....Only one word will suffice.....wow!! What a wonderful photograph, to show off your superb collection of Euclid's.....that is so impressive and also interesting. And thanks also for your usual wonderful collection of real world photos of these beasts at work.....very nicely done!!
Best regards, Terry


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Re : -965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck (1955-69)

The three above Posts deserve an individual and special response, that is for certain but I will incorporate my response into this single Post!

Jan W

You made my day! I must confess I initially hesitated Posting an image of my collection of Euclids, as I did not wish to appear to be a braggart and a "show off", but on seeing Jan O's collection as well as having seen your own collection of 555/955 Fire Engines, I sort of felt vindicated!. However, the 965 has not been the only Dinky model that I have amassed a considerable collection.  I too developed a very keen interest in the 555/955 and over the years which developed to a total of 10 models until I "lost interest" and sold 7 to fund my interest in others, but I have resumed my collecting of this great model and the number is back to six! Then there is the 139a/170 which now stands at eight; 183 Volvo Amazon at six, 175 Hillman Minx at ten, 25x/430 at eight, and so it goes on, and on, and on!  But I also have a confession, my total 965 really comes to a staggering 27 models, the additional ones being those that have "lost their place" after being superseded by a better example, of which I have not got around nor the heart to selling!

But as you said quite correctly, it is nice to know that you are now safely reassured that there are others who emulate, or try to emulate what you have achieved!!

Thank you too for the compliments on the additional photographs I have provided of the real machines at work.

Jan O

Thank you for your kind words on my Euclid collection as well as providing the inspiration for me to display my collection! I tend to look at the Forum as the ideal place in which to write about Dinky Toys, and it is a terrible shame the same does not apply to those who are intimately involved with our Association who have their incredible knowledge and dedication published elsewhere. I was actually asked to join the DTCA when it was in its embryonic stage, but I had too many other matters on my plate at that time, which I now deeply regret. I have, however, made up for this reticence since 24 July 2014 when I posted my first website comment on a new topic I created "Auction Catalogue Descriptions" the contents of which are now being pursued elsewhere as nothing eventuated with the matter I raised. (Watch that Topic in the future!)

Your kind words are always more than welcome. With what you have presented since you joined as one of a small band of writers in this Forum is incredible and I as well as the silent majority thank you for your work and dedication. 

Terry

Thank you, as always, for your most kind and appreciated words on my Euclid collection. As usual you always seem to find the right words that makes the effort all that more pleasurable!  Most of the above replies to the two Jans are also very much applicable to you. One thing that makes your collection and Jan's all that more unbelievable is how you have managed to keep the models you acquired as a youngster in such pristine condition beggars belief!  I am afraid my younger-day collection pales in significance when you post an image of one of your models acquired as a youngster! Thank you, as always for your kind words, and for being a great friend for many years, even before the DTCA!

Kind regards, Jan, Jan O and Terry

Bruce   (150)

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Re : -965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck (1955-69)

After the comments about assembling reversed tyres on the 965 in the new arrivals topic comment #855-#859 with the link http://dtcawebsite.com/comment/10288#comment-10288  and  comment #40 and #41 in Happy collecting milestones with the link http://dtcawebsite.com/comment/10274#comment-10274  I have investigated my collection on reversed tyres and commented in this Euclid topic because there are the most differences and details being commented about the Euclid truck..

I discovered that Meccano Liverpool not always strictly assembled the reversed tyres on the same way on the models itself and also not strictly pictured reversed tyres on the boxes on the same way.

First I show the various types of tires that were mounted on the 965. Then I show pictures of tyres mounted on a same model 965, but at a different way to each other. Also pictures of combinations of model and box with correct or incorrect mounted tyres regarding the picture on the box and show still once more pictures of all 965 boxes.

Very remarkable is that box type 2 has pictured reversed tyres facing inwards and box type 3 and 4 has pictured reversed tyres facing outwards. For clarity, I add photos in full size with attached captions.

By the way, I'm not convinced of the advantage of the use of reversed tires by the Euclid trucks. In the Netherlands we have very heavy clay. All farmers have tractors to plough in this heavy clay and all tires of these tractors have a deep V groove profile which is always directed forward. See last pictures. 

Jan Oldenhuis 18-10-2017 


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