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-965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck (1955-69)

Dear fellow DTCAers, Browsing through some older Auto in Miniatuur magazines these days, I found the accompanying photos in issue 1999:4 page 19. The comment is that a Dutch collector found the green version (shown on the right) on a swap meet and he says to be certain that it is not a repaint. He, nor anyone else, has ever seen anything but the familiar yellow one. Of course the readers were invited to comment. But I have not seen any comment since this publication, so I think it would be useful to pass this question over to this forum. Could an authentic green one have been produced? When asking this I have in mind the Diecast Collector Obscure Corner contribution in issue 76 of February 2004. There, a real one is shown on page 83 with – although apparently restored – a dark greenish finish. Could this green Dinky Euclid have ever been a special miniature model order for a firm using original green Euclids in the past? I look forward to your comment! Kind regards, Jan Werner

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I have some problems uploading an image file, I'll try again:

If this does not work, please help or explain!

Kind regards, Jan Werner

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I have used the "Select image file to attach" and selected my 965. Let's see if the image loads:

Click on the {IMG} box to position

Try preview.

Doesn't show the picture or error.

Note the limit is 800x600 or 250KB. My first attempt left the image at 265 l even though resized to 600. Will relax size to 350 kbyte.

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Well, let's have another try, this picture is 600x658 pix and 196 kb:

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Hurray, this worked! So this picture belongs to my initial posting. Note that the inside hubs seem to be un-painted.

Kind regards, Jan Werner

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Hi Jan this is a preserved Euclid R15 Dump Truck that I came across earlier this year at an exhibition.

I am assuming that the colour of this vehicle is authentic to the original and it just happens to be very similar to the one in your photo.

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Trying again to add the pic

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Thanks David, now I remember this one of yours, it's in my documentation too. The pic is far better than the one published in one of the earlier magazines.
And now we hope that there is a demonstrable relation between this one and the model presented in this thread!

Kind regards, Jan Werner

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According to Guy Girod's Encyclopedia, it is possible that Liverpool made a few trials green 965. It is worth noting, though, that the real Terex were more "pistachio green" than "lemon yellow".
Jackh

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Some nice background information regarding the colour and some other developent aspects of this model in a quote from a letter by R. Mitchell from Gwynedd, in Diecast Collector, issue 80 of June 2004, page 24:
"I worked at Blackwood Hodge in Northampton for three years in the Export Packaging Department. All the workers, including office staff, were told that the 'men' from Dinky were coming to take photos and measurements from one of our Euclids, with the intention of making a Supertoys model. Three different versions of the Euclid were brought into the large parking area for them to ponder over and take pictures and they chose the most up-to-date Euclid to model.
All the staff and engineers were ushered into one of the big assembly hangars, where every worker was presented with a pre-release model, as a present from management, but with an added bonus, a special Blackwood Hodge emblem lapel badge inside the box - I still have mine.
As a matter of interest, the Euclid colour, a sort of canary green, was difficult for Dinky to copy. They made three journeys to try out the early models, in the end. They got the Blackwood Hodge paintshop to mix the colour and supply 45 gallon drums of paint to the Dinky assembly line ...".

Kind regards, Jan Werner

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My Euclid being evaluated by its future owner, Ro'ee, 21 months...most probably DTCA member No 1000 and then some...
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Hello Jan - I have never seen a 965 in a green scheme, however, what you have said may explain why one of my boxed 965 Euclid has a green spot on one end! The picture below is not the best but it does show the green spot on the English only box end.
Bruce

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Further to my last post, below is another example in my collection (I sold the Euclid above last year) This shows the green spot in better detail, and confirms that all the boxes with a green spot were the last of the blue-striped boxes issued, with the use of italics for DINKY SUPERTOYS. I have just gone back through 14 years of Vectis auctions and the box style with the green spot is confirmed. However, of these, one had an incorrect model as it was in the first year of production, having the plain Euclid insignia and the Type 1 chassis. This causes me some concern when unscrupulous sellers are boxing a model to achieve a better price, no matter that the box itself is not the correct one for the model.
So, perhaps at some stage in the final months of the Euclid, thought had been given to changing its colour, so perhaps samples were produced and somehow ended up in the public arena.
Unfortunately, the quality inspection stamp in my model's box is indecipherable, otherwise it would give us a date!

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A green mystery! Or does the green one really exist? If boxes might have been swapped previously, they should be inspected on rubbing traces inside (green??).
The only thing green I can find on my Euclids is the later green lettering, also on the later issues with blue striped box and italic lettering, with windows, red Euclid sign and heavy duty tyres. Still, my box of that one does not show the green spot on the side.
Just as an extra two pictures of my examples, the early one and the later issue:

Kind regards, Jan

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I aquired a DT 965 1st issue Euclid Rear Dump Truck with box. When I compare the base of my truck with the base of the truck of Jan Werners contribution in TMT it looks like the truck of Jan W has a difference in the casting.

When I look at the left truck of the 965 base comparing photo of Jan W and look at the first gap left of the crank I see that hole filled in with a cross-beam in the length of the base, while that gap of my truck is completely free and open. Is that cross-beam a casting variation or perhaps the style of the door of the cabin?? I cannot conclude it well.  I Hope that Jan W can solve my question. I add a copy of his 965 base comparing picture out his contribution in TMT with the caption of the photo.  In this connection, I ask at the same time or it is allowed in clarifying my contribution, to copy text and pictures from TMT to DTCA under mention the owner of the contribution, because I don't want to do something in this forum that is against the rules.

In the box is a date stamp of September 1955 while the first issues according MM were released in October 1955. On the box is a ballpoint price of 8/11 which correspond with the price in the first announcement in the Meccano Magazine of October 1955. According to Bruce Hoy in TMT has the 1st issue box reddish contour lines and shades in the  model picture on the box as also is to be seen in the added picture of my box.

Kind regards, Jan O

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Hi Jan, a really wonderful example you found, without the well-visible chips on this model! Mine has the same price and the quality control stamp reads 10 AN 55.

I'm sorry that my photo caused any confusion. I took my models out of my displays and compared them with the image. The 'cross beam' in the picture appears to be a freak of the light, as it is nothing else but the top inner side of the side window, which reflects the light. I dug up the eleven year old photo from my files and will reproduce it here once more, now more crisp and detailed. 

I presume there is no problem at all 'borrowing' pictures from TMT, if the source is stated correctly. Anyway, I have no problem at all with others using my images for the hobby we share. Kind regards, Jan W

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Every Euclid I have seen (with the exception of one) in a blue striped box, italic printing and with a green spot on one end, has window glazing, and the front wheels have not been reversed as per the last issue for the Euclid and the issues for the Terex. So the green spotted boxes would have been between two dates: 13 January 1960 when glazing was added to the drawing for the Euclid and 23 May 1963 when a notation was made to the same drawing when the front wheels were reversed with the rounded side on the inside. So at one point during those three years, boxes were produced for a green version and although boxes were made with the green sticker, for some reason Meccano never proceeded with this colour change. But I wonder what became of the paint that was given to Meccano as described by Jan in an earlier post. Used on another model? If so, what model?

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Thanks Bruce. In fact the words of R. Mitchell are not completely clear to understand in every detail, and certainly not which exact shades of green / yellow he is referring to.
By the way, my examples have definitely different shades of yellow. The older one is simply pale yellow, whereas the newer version has a more vivid (slightly greenish) lemon like colour. Hard to see on my photographs, perhaps I should make another picture of both together in bright daylight.
Best regards, Jan

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Thank you Jan for you always welcome comments!
I have photographed both the Euclid from the first batch and the final Terex in bright daylight, but the different shade of yellow is not as perceptible as comparing them under artificial light, but the colour is different. I had always noticed the difference, particularly with the first production having the plain insignia on the back and the subsequent models with the red coloured insignia.
I have examined the boxes with the green spot on the end, and none show traces of green rubbings that one would expect if the model had been swapped with a model whose colour was a definite shade of green.
Best wishes, Bruce

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Re the dark green Euclid in The Journal oct 2014 page 7.

While browsing the Encyclopaedia, recently I read the following text about the Euclid.

The text is not very clear and I thought that the writer had made a mistake between green and cream but seen the green Euclid in today's Journal, he may be right.

Does this text explains the green Euclids real and Dinky ?

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The above quote is interesting without seeing exactly what was written in Diecast Collector, as I know of "CANARY YELLOW" but have not heard of "canary GREEN". Canary green with a touch of green sort of does not sound right.

Has anyone looked at my previous post with the picture of both the first and last models of the 965? There is a distinct difference, more noticeable under artificial lighting.

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Attention: Dave Kaun or Al Keeling

Is there any means to locate where the above Post was transferred and by whom?  It is a pity that "the following post" was not mentioned.

I do not recall ever transferring a Post although I am aware of a person who may have done so.

The problem as I see it is that the post may not contain very interesting information, but on the other hand it just might, but it would still be appreciated to know where the post has ended up.

Many thanks

Bruce   (150)

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Without a link or any other indication - and with no explanation - it is difficult to discover what original content of this reply might have been.  The old data does not record who did the moving or where the content was moved to.  But if you read further to your next comment (#23), you can see that you mentioned deleting a previous post and incorporating it somewhere else.

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I did see that Post but could not see what I had transferred, as that Post looked as if it all had come from Jacques. Not very earth-shattering! Never mind., but many thanks for replying.

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dinkycollect wrote:
"Re the dark green Euclid in The Journal oct 2014 page 7.

While browsing the Encyclopaedia, recently I read the following text about the Euclid.

The text is not very clear and I thought that the writer had made a mistake between green and cream but seen the green Euclid in today's Journal, he may be right.

Does this text explains the green Euclids real and Dinky ?"

I have deleted my last post and incorporated it within Jacques last post for easier reading.

Further to my last post concerning the use of the description "canary green", the following pictures are of interest, even though the subject is not a dump truck, but a Terex Bulldozer. The slide was taken on 21 June 1970, so the era is about the same as the Dinky Terex Dump Truck.

A little while ago, while reading my post about "Canary Green" I remembered having taken a slide of a greenish bulldozer at work in Port Moresby, but when I located the slide I was pleasantly surprised to see that it was a GM Terex! One thing I did notice in the quote from Jacques' encyclopedia is mention of Blackwood Hodge, the company that mixed up the colour and supplied Meccano with 45 gallon drums of the paint. If one looks carefully, below the footplate in the second picture above, we find the company name, BLACKWOOD HODGE !

The Workplace, Health and Safety chaps would have had a field day with Earthworks Papua Pty Ltd if the scene was nowadays, but that was Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea 44 years ago. The dozer appeared to have been brand-new, so maybe the roll cage etc was in another shipping container still waiting to be unpacked! Or had been lost along the way !

Although this post deals with a Terex bulldozer, it may be a little off-topic, still I thought it might be relevant, if this is the so-called "canary green" we have heard previously !

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There are two real world Euclid R15s within 20 miles of where I live, one is Green and the other Yellow as per the Dinky.

The Green one attends shows throughout the summer season, the Yellow one is at a quarry and is still a working vehicle - note the tipping mechanism is more faithfull to the Dinky.

The door of the green one has notice attached to it.

It makes interesting reading.

I live on the outskirts of Corby, this of course was a steelmaking town and 40 years ago Euclids were a common site as there were about a dozen belonging to British Steel. This was before I came to the area and I never saw them working here.

Dave

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I picked up this repainted example a few years ago in a batch of 50 odd dinky toys it has had an interesting colour choice applied not what I would envisage would have been applied in reality. Nonetheless it has grown on me and I haven't the heart to strip and redo it.

Cheers

Dave

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Following on from the discussion earlier regarding the existence, or not, of a green Dinky Euclid, I show the following box:

This clearly shows a Euclid Dump Truck being loaded up with the 964 Elevator Loader.

The dump truck is painted Green, I wonder if Dinky intended to change the colour??????

Dave

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Dinkinius wrote:
"The above quote is interesting without seeing exactly what was written in Diecast Collector, as I know of "CANARY YELLOW" but have not heard of "canary GREEN". Canary green with a touch of green sort of does not sound right.

Has anyone looked at my previous post with the picture of both the first and last models of the 965? There is a distinct difference, more noticeable under artificial lighting."

Hi Bruce, / all,
Got to admit when I read this I thought "that's a typo, it should read Canary yellow with a touch of green".

Chris Warr

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Greetings Chris and everyone

I have finally located more information on the so-called "Canary Green with a touch of green"! The colour is actually HILITE GREEN. The Following images are of the oldest Euclid R15 in the United Kingdom that has been fastidiously restored and has been displayed at a number of locations. This is the model Euclid on which Meccano based its 965.

Notice the colour matches the updated model next to it. However, this was not the correct colour for this truck when it was made, so the painter had to re-do his work, this time selecting PARKINSON GREEN.

The following is a photograph of the truck taken some years before its last refurbishment:

Finally, here is a photograph of a Euclid R15 on a Blackwood Hodge display at a trade fair, and although the image is not in colour, it shows the model in its Parkinson Green finish.

The subject of the reason Meccano chose an entirely different colour, a nice shade of yellow, will be explained in a later post.

Kind regards

Bruce

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