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--62g Boeing Flying Fortress, Long range bomber (1939-1949)

I was interested to read in the current Journal of the Dinky 62g Flying Fortress. My uncle was in the crew of one of these and is one of the many on the Runnymede Memorial. I attach a photo and article expanding on Keith Barnard's "not at all succesfully" use. B17C.pdf http://www.dtcawebsite.org/images/fbfiles/files/B17C.pdf

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The Dinky, prototype and model:

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Although not really to do with Dinky Toys, but the following elaborates on my previous post. This is the final resting place for a B-17E belonging to the 19th Bombardment Group on the upper slopes of Mt Obree in the Owen Stanley Ranges of Papua New Guinea, disappeared on 25 April 1942, remained missing for 44 years, and into which I lead a US Army recovery team who recovered all but one crew member over two deployments in 1986 and 1987. The other image is of the author suitably attired "Rambo Style" following the successful completion of the recovery operation.
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Gentlemen

Herewith is my Boeing Flying Fortress 62g together with its box and separate sheet of "gliding instructions".

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Bruce, your posting made me have a closer look at mine for some comparisons.


My box appears to be dated two months before yours: November 1939.


The leaflet inside seems to be of an older printing, showing 1/838/400, so 1938, in my opinion.


The cover shows the same diagram and explanation as yours.


I also have another nice example of the Flying Fortress, the new post-war name 'Long Range Bomber' cast under the wing.


The film around the roundel with the US star and some other features made me doubt its authenticity. Indeed, one month ago, when John Beugels paid me another visit, he agreed and confirmed that it must definitely be a repaint. Still very nicely done, in fact looking factory-made. Strict as I am in this, it will unfortunately have to leave the collection. Its picture was both included in the 2010 DTCA 75 anniversary Dinky calendar and in the related wallet with post-cards.

Kind regards, Jan

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Jan and Bruce--
Beautiful B-17 Fortresses! So nice to see both of those with the boxes and instructions......it appears that Dinky made quite a good model of it.
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janwerner wrote:
"Bruce, your posting made me have a closer look at mine for some comparisons.

My box appears to be dated two months before yours: November 1939.
The leaflet inside seems to be of an older printing, showing 1/838/400, so 1938, in my opinion.
The cover shows the same diagram and explanation as yours.
I also have another nice example of the Flying Fortress, the new post-war name 'Long Range Bomber' cast under the wing.
The film around the roundel with the US star and some other features made me doubt its authenticity. Indeed, one month ago, when John Beugels paid me another visit, he agreed and confirmed that it must definitely be a repaint. Still very nicely done, in fact looking factory-made. Strict as I am in this, it will unfortunately have to leave the collection. Its picture was both included in the 2010 DTCA 75 anniversary Dinky calendar and in the related wallet with post-cards.

Kind regards, Jan"

Jan
Attached are images of my other 62g with an earlier date of manufacture then yours, June 1939, BW6749 15M 6-39. Also, the printing date on my leaflet in my other 62g is dated March 1940, almost in a time-frame to match the box.

You will see that this one is flying backwards! :laugh: The insignia on both wings is reversed. See our previous discussion.
There are no profile details on the model with a plan view, nor were there any gliding instructions, although the loose sheet may have become lost over the years.

Bruce

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Bruce-
Lovely boxed example....nice to see these pre-war models in such nice condition.
Terry

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Thanks Bruce, that is obviously one of a very early batch! Good to see the alternative lid information format too! Kind regards, Jan

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Hello friends,
There is a nice article on the B 17 I wrote for the Journal Januari 2014. Meanwhile I have found five different datecodes on the boxes.
BW 6749 15M 6-39 ( is 15.000 made in June 1939)
BW 7295 15M 7-39
BW 9236 15M 11-39
BW 10445 15M 1-40
BW 30M 4-40.
The first box only had a description of the plane on the lid.
From 7-1939 a diagram of the plane was also printed in the lid.
For the first box a special leaflet with diagram was printed and came inside the box. Two different leaflets were printed. First with code 1/6-39/15, 15.000 made June 1939. The second leaflet had no code printed and was probably made as a extra for some later boxes. See the two leaflets below.

John.

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Leaflet for B 17.

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First leaflet for B 17 box.

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This message is for John, and anyone else for that matter !

Now, if only I could find one of these, with the same date details, viz 6-39 :

to go with this one!!

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hoort wrote:
"Hi all,

Last week I received a trade box with 5 62G Long Range Bombers. The tail section of three of the models are covered with a silver colored paper to protect the tail transfer. One of the models carried the whole protector. I also found a loose protector on the bottom of the trade box. On one of the models the protection is a bit loose and it showes the transfer partly. I am sure the transfers will be damaged by removal of the protection, so I will leave them as they have been for more than 60 years.
Anyway, I have never seen this protection before and I am curious if anyone has.

Kind regards,
Rob
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I have copied Rob's post in the Trade Boxes Thread to this Thread on the 62g Flying Fortress, as I thought it would be good to include this excellent post here. I have also included my response to Rob's Trade Boxes post:

Rob

I too have never seen a protective covering similar to those in your trade box, which incidentally, is a wonderful acquisition, and full marks go to you!

One thing I found unusual in looking at one of your pictures, the rudder appears to have been given an outline. Then I came to the realization, that someone has "converted" the C/D model on which the Dinky 62g is based, to an E model which had an extended dorsal fin and enlarged tail unit, totally different to the earlier model B-17. It is certainly not factory fitted, as it would have involved too much time for the ladies to insert this type of "protection". Besides, once inside the box with its dividers there would be no need for this type of protector to exist, when tissue paper would have done the same job which makes me think my supposition is possibly correct.

One other thing I noticed it appears as if most of these models have been displayed outside the box, as the National Insignia are quite faded.

Still, the box and models are an excellent acquisition, and I hope it did not break the bank!

Kind regards

Bruce (150)