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--23h, 234 and 209 Ferrari Racing Car (1953-64)

Here are my three models :

Cheers

Richard


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Re : --23h, 234 and 209 Ferrari Racing Car (1953-64)

Hi Richard,
Ah, you've made me jealous now :laugh: that triangle fronted plastic hubbed version is SO nice!
I love seeing the plastic hubs on the old castings, just very HTF.
Chris Warr.


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Re : --23h, 234 and 209 Ferrari Racing Car (1953-64)


From left to right:

1953: 23H, mottled base-plate, yellow nose, yellow die-cast hubs
1954: 234, mottled base-plate, yellow nose, yellow die-cast hubs
1958: 234, shiny base-plate, yellow nose, yellow die-cast hubs
1958: 234, shiny base-plate, yellow triangle, yellow die-cast hubs
1960: 234, shiny base-plate, yellow nose, spun hubs
1960: 234, shiny base-plate, yellow triangle, spun hubs
1962: 234, shiny base-plate, yellow triangle, blue plastic hubs
1962: 234, shiny base-plate, yellow triangle, yellow plastic hubs
Missing:
1958: 234, shiny base-plate, yellow triangle, blue die-cast hubs

The years indicated are my rough guess only.

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Re : --23h, 234 and 209 Ferrari Racing Car (1953-64)

Wonderful team Walter. My hunting is not finished !
Thanks a lot to show us all the variants.
Friendly yours.
Richard


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Re : --23h, 234 and 209 Ferrari Racing Car (1953-64)

Walter,

Has your Ferrari (the fourth from the left on your picture) a raised line around the triangle ?

This model with blue ridged hubs must be very rare. Was it made before the models with yellow nose and spun concave hubs ? Were the models with triangle made in a different die than the models with yellow nose ? What a mess in Binns Road.

Could you please post a picture of the base plate stamped with 23H if you have one ?

All the best.

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Re : --23h, 234 and 209 Ferrari Racing Car (1953-64)

Hi Jacques.
My Ferrari with yellow plastic hubs has a raised line around the triangle.
If it can help !
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Richard


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Re : --23h, 234 and 209 Ferrari Racing Car (1953-64)

Richard,

Yes all the Ferraris with plastic hubs have the raised line around the triangle but is seems that the early Ferraris with triangle did not. The model I am refering to has yellow ridged hubs and seems to be an early issue.

Jacques.


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Re : --23h, 234 and 209 Ferrari Racing Car (1953-64)

Jacques,
My triangle Ferrari with yellow cast hubs (4th in the row) is a 234 and has raised edges around the triangle. I have not seen a triangle 23H so far.
Walter


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Re : --23h, 234 and 209 Ferrari Racing Car (1953-64)

I wonder if this one has raised lines ... :P

Kind regards, Jan


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Re : --23h, 234 and 209 Ferrari Racing Car (1953-64)

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Re : --23h, 234 and 209 Ferrari Racing Car (1953-64)

Greetings everybody,

reading recent postings prompted me to inspect some of my models - and this is to answer Jacques' question about the casting lines on the triangle-nose Ferrari.

I have ten variations (all except two are boxed) from the first all-yellow nose model in a 23H box, through to the last plastic-hub version in the later light yellow box - but I do not yet have a bubble-pack example.

Five are early models with full yellow nose, and five are later triangle-nose versions, of which one has yellow-painted ridged hubs, one has blue ridged hubs, one has spun alloy hubs, and two have plastic hubs - one with yellow, and one with blue. All these five have mirror-gloss bases, so date to after July 1958 (and one of the all-yellow nose versions also has a mirror-gloss base but still with yellow painted ridged hubs).

Anyway, Jacques - here is the answer to your question:

As you see, the model on the left is an early version but does not have the raised casting lines along the angled sides of the triangle - all my other four examples with triangle-nose do have these raised lines as per the example on the right with blue plastic hubs, so I would imagine that they were added to the die soon after the change to the triangle nose painting.

Hope this answers your question Jacques!

Regards to everybody, Adrian 141


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Re : --23h, 234 and 209 Ferrari Racing Car (1953-64)

Since the last Ferrari with a yellow nose has spun hubs, therefore dates from 1960 onward and has a smooth nose without lines, they must have had either two dies (with and without lines) In 1958 or they added the lines to the sole die sometimes in 1958 and used the remaining smooth-nose models for the yellow nose version until the stock was gone (in 1960?).

Right?

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Walter


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Re : --23h, 234 and 209 Ferrari Racing Car (1953-64)

Nothing unusual about my two Ferrari Racing Cars, but thought it might be fun to show the old and the new.......Like some of you, I suppose, I gradually endeavor to replace some of my old, original Dinky's, that have been well used over the years, for a newer, much nicer version. I do like to keep the older ones, as that is where the memories are. In this case, I got the original Ferrari Racing Car around 1956 or so, and shortly after, I was having fun racing it down our concrete driveway, against my good Dinky friend, and his open wheeled racing car. Most of you know that I normally am very careful with my toys, even as a young boy. In this case, fun won out over caution, and we did have lots of fun with that competition.
As you can see below, the older Ferrari is quite worn, with tread almost totally gone from the tires, and liberal chips and scratches covering it. So this past year, I decided it was time to get a nicer display version, so I found an almost mint one of the same vintage. I always enjoyed this car, and Dinky made a pretty good model of it, even if the color is not very authentic.
Regards,
Terry


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Re : --23h, 234 and 209 Ferrari Racing Car (1953-64)

Hello Terry

My Ferrari only shows very minor wear as can be seen. The yellow does not seem to attract more chips than elsewhere.

The model that is very susceptible to chipping was my 254 Austin Taxi in yellow and green. No matter how careful I handled my model, chips mysteriously appeared with chips being equally shared between the green and the yellow! I have to photograph the old girl so will post this later.

My 419 has considerable chipping but only one side with the other side having smaller chips. I was extremely cautious playing with my Leyland being one of my favourite toys that when the first chip happened I was devastated! I can still remember the event - I was putting away my toys as we were going out and instead of taking two trips, I thought I could manage with just the one - the Leyland slipped, and fell onto the floor and the rest is history. (No carpet in those days - just linoleum!)

Here are two pictures of my 419.

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