Hi Jacques.
The Unic I received last friday is exactly the same as Terry.
All the hubs are concave.
The box has the last reference : 894
I have two others Unic Boilot in a cabinet with the front huhs in convex shape and I will show some photos later.
There is an another variant : the tyres !
The last 894 versions had square section as the military.
I will come back on this subject too.
Have a nice sunday.
Richard
When this model appeared in the shop windows, I spent endless minutes admiring it, for months in a row, only to come up with the conclusion that I'll need a serious raise in pocket money allowance...What a beautiful Dinky!
Yes indeed Jackh ! and it's not cheaper now !
Here under the three brothers
The last one which arrived on friday :
The two olders are the same.
Here are the trailers :
Now about the tyres :
When the Boilot is born in 1957, all its tyres were in a round shape; tyres references were : 11.190.
Later, Meccano changed the refence and it became : 839
In the leaflet of 1959, both Boilot references appear : 39A and 894 with also the tyres refences 11.190 and 839.
From the leaflet of 1964, there is only one reference for the Boilot (894)and the two tyres refences disappeared and was replaced by the reference 843 (for military vehicules).
It's the one with the square shape.
I arrive to this conclusion :
Boilot 39A always with round shape tyres
Boilot 894 received both types of tyres.
I hope that I was clear.
Is some members agree with this ?
Good sunday to everybody
Richar
Some problems to join the photos
So, I try again the photos one and two
oups ! again !
You can deliver a whole fleet of cars with those Richard!!
They are beautiful.
Dave
My example has the convex single hubs, bears no. 39(A) cast underneath both tractor and trailer, bears no number 39A on top of the box lid and shows the square treaded tyres on the tractor and the round treaded tyres on the trailer. It is virtually mint and everything seems to be authentic. For you to make some sense of it!
Kind regards, Jan
Beautiful unic with very nice box. If your box has no number 39A on the top, it has certainly the number 894 on each sides !!?
That's mean that the box and the truck are probably not the right association. With the 894 box, the Unic has always concave hubs.
I think but perhaps I am wrong that the tyres of the tractor were changed. In all the documents I have, the trailor with the convex hubs on the front axle was always bearing round treaded tyres.
But it's only my opinion, based on my leaflets.
Is an another member met that mixing ?
Richard
Yes, Richard, the numbers on the sides are 894, making it even more complicated. So there is an old 39A Unic with correct hubs but mixed tyres in a new 894 box!
Kind regards, Jan
Yes Dave, a lot ! and it is still working !
Here under, the first delivery of the day ! :laugh: :laugh:
Yes Jan. I am happy to have been clear !
The refence graved under the tractor 39A never changed even when Meccano decided to give it a new number,894, in 1959.
The same for the trailler which just received a "point" after the "A" (39A.) and an "y" as Jacques has shown.
So, only the box changed of refence. When the box is marked 894, we only find an Unic Boilot with concave hubs, for all the wheels, tractor and trailler.
Friendly yours
Richard
By the way, I have another hybrid as tyres are concerned, its brother Tracteur Unic Saharien. Block treaded tyres on tractor and trailer, but round treaded spares behind the cabin. I cannot explain, because they look pristine, so I see no reason why to change them. Perhaps the factory wanted to get rid of old stock of round treaded tyres in such a way? Who knows may say so.
Dear Jan,
Your Unic Saharien is completely original. It's the first type with convex hubs on the front axle and was commercialized with square tyres on all wheels, but with round treaded tyres for the spare wheels.
Why did Meccano that mixing ? I think that nobody knows !
The second type, with the concave hubs on all wheels, was equiped with square tyres even for the spare wheels.
Good night
Richard
Jan and Richard,
Although there might be all kind of explanations concerning tyres on our beloved babies, if you are not the first and only owner, you can never be sure of the authenticity of the tyres: I believe that the first thing one does to ensure a MIB state, is to put new tyres before an impeding sale...
By the way, when you sell a used 1:1 car, don't you do the same, i.e improve tyres visual appearance by all kinds of tricks?... :)
Yes, Jacques, I am well aware of that. Tyres can be an aid in explaining things or dating a model, but they can never be used as a sole source for evidence. One can never be 100% be sure, unless, indeed, one is the first owner. And even then: inexplicable, haphazard things happened in the factory every day. Thanks and best regards, Jan
I thought it might be fun to post some of the original French Dinky catalog images of this model. It first appears in the 1957 catalog, on the back page. As is true with most of the French catalogs, the images are not photographs, but colorized representations. In this first viewing, the illustration is different from all of those following, and not in the colors used on the model. As you can see, it is a light blue overall, with dark blue or black front wings on the tractor unit. If you look closely, many other details are not correct.....the side mounted fuel tank is plain, there appears to be signal lamps on the front of the wings, and the crank handle is on the left side. There is also minute differences in the side of the hood or bonnet....the detail lines. It is likely that Meccano was rushing to get something in the catalog of this new, and most impressive vehicle, and did not have a real version to work with...possibly just initial renderings. I also show pages from succeeding catalogs showing the evolution of the images used.
All in all, a most interesting and impressive model. It is quite large and complicated and one wonders if Meccano made much profit on these!
Terry
I'm not 100% knowledgeable about the French Dinky range, was this the only car transporter they made?
Dave
Yes Dave. It's the only one.
Richard
Thanks Richard
Dave
Terry.
Here are some informations on the Unic Boilot prices :
In september 1960 : 19,75 N.F. (new fran
I always have problems when I want to attach 2 or 3 photos in the same message !!
Which is the way to do it ?
Thank you for help !
Richard
These documents are not really readable ! Probably my scan !
Sorry for that.
Hi gents! Is there anybody who can tell me about the real Unic Boilot which have been miniaturized by Dinky? I mean: what kind of engine, years of production, etc.
I'm sorry, but it seems very difficult to find thiese data here, in Italy...
Thanks for your help, Gianni
Hi Gianni.
Here under the informations I found in the Meccano Magazine n
A new photo, made of the French Unic-Boilot car transporter. Once more this image underlines the huge character of the blue striped Dinky Supertoys box (this box numbered 894 and without its number in oval on the top of the lid) and the remarkable scale difference of the tractor (1/55) and its semi-trailer (ca. 1/43). Kind regards, Jan
Jan---Very nice photo of this remarkable transporter. Of all the Dinky transporters, this remains my favorite, especially when trying to load a bunch of friendly Dinky automobiles. This is the only one will relatively open sides, where one can carefully guide in the cars, without risking them contacting the inside of the transporter. To me, the worst one is the later model transporter with trailer......the sides almost enclose the cars, making it a scary proposition to safely load it.
Best regards, Terry
The tracteur Unic saharien is made of three sub assemblies made on different assembly lines : the truck, the roof rack and spare wheels and the trailer. This may be the reason why the tyres are different on each of this sub assemblies.
There is only one picture of the Boilot Petolat, the tractor is a Renault and the trailer il loaded with 5 Simca Arondes with the Eiffel tower in the background. It is not necessary to use powerfull tractor as the load carried in only about 6 tons.
There is one variation were the early models used a rivet to attach the connecting spring. Later, the rivet was cast with the body.
Boilot Petolat made many things mainly railway and tramcar material but I can not find any thing about the trailers. The tractor is a Lautaret ZU 101 (1956)
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