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-622 Foden 10 ton Army truck (1954-64) (cont...)

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Richard

Nice set of Foden Army Wagons. I notice you said one driver is late!  Perhaps someone shot him and he is lying across the inside of the cab!

The smooth-roof version does not come up that often. I will check my collection and see if I have a spare example. (Yes I can hear what you are saying, but that is what happens when one has over 800 models to keep a tab on.  I really must do something about organizing myself better!)

I know this has nothing to do with the topic, but Al Keeling has put my on the right path of redemption.  He finally sorted out why I was having so much strife typing in this Forum. The culprit was Internet Explorer!  I am now on Google Chrome and things are as they should!  Thank you Al. You will hear from me direct.)

Kind regards

Bruce  (#150)

9 December 2015

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Hi Bruce,

My experience with Microsoft software is keep away from them.

Jacques an Appleman since 1985 and still glad to be.

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Hello Jacques

I could not let this pass, considering you are an Appleman!

"Bruce the Dinkyman since 1949!!"

Bruce  #150

10 December 2015

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Bruce

l o l

You started before me, I started collecting Dinky Toys in 1952 - 53.

Jacques # 100

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Jacques

I actually started a couple of years before 1949 - playing with my brother's Dinky Toys but I grew tired of being "belted up" for doing so until I received my first Dinky Toy at Christmas 1949, my light green 38e Armstrong-Siddeley and then I had the last laugh, as mine had a WINDSCREEN and SEATS!

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10 December 2015

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Should you ever locate a really good example of the first issue without the ridge-lines on the cab roof but it does not have a box, do not despair, as I am sure I have an empty box tucked away, which is a completely appropriate and relevant box.  Images of it are below.

There is nothing like have an appropriate box for one's models, not like so many who just aim for "a box" without considering if the one selected would have been the type or year for the model in hand.

Kind regards

Bruce  #150

10 December 2015

 

 

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Bruce,

Woahhhhhhhh a WINDSCREEN and SEATS can you believe that ? Your brother must have been sorry and you must have had a jolly good x'mas.

I wish you and all the other members of this forum just as good a x'mas as that one for this year.

Jacques. (# 100)

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Here's another update about the 10-Ton Army Truck 622 in what was probably the last version.  Unless there was one in the visipaks?  

The box has no date stamp but I would guess about 1964 or 1965.  The cab is ridged and the hook rivet is of the domed type rather than the pitted type used for the front plate.   Some casting alterations are seen at the back with the step recesses deleted and ejector pin marks now sticking out as spigots and moved further down and inwards until they are even clipping the text.

I do like these diorama boxes.

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Hi all, nice to see the late colourful illustrated diorama box! The (first) striped lidded DINKY TOYS box lasted at least until 1 56, as this example demonstrates. In his The Binns Road Gazette Keith Harvie does not list a 622 in visipac box - admittedly, that information is 16 years old by now. Kind regards, Jan

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Dinky's choice of this particular Foden prototype is not really surprising when you look at how many other unique or very low-volume subjects they chose over the years - the Airmail car, Holland Coachcraft van, Bristol 450, Mersey Tunnel Land Rover - even the "Police Controlled Pedestrian Crossing", which I believe was unique to Liverpool!  Looking at the post-war military model introductions, some of them were based on up-to-date vehicles such as the Austin Champ and K9 (water tanker), the Bedford RL, Leyland Martian (Medium Artillery Tractor) and Hippo (RAF Refueller) and the Ford Ambulance. Others, such as the Armoured Command Vehicle, Bedford QL and Morris Quad, limber and 25pdr gun were models of wartime vehicles, so the Foden DG-based cab might not have looked out of place in the range after all! BUT - as far as I know, all the remaining DGs had been sold off shortly after the war, eagerly snapped up by civilian users including GPO Telephones, haulage companies and fairground operators, whereas many of the others remained in army service considerably longer, with the possible exception of the armoured command vehicle.

 In answer to a previous question regarding the three ribs on the roofs of real trucks, the cabs were "coachbuilt", that is to say they had a hardwood frame with metal panelling, and the ribs were aluminium strips which reinforced the roof panels where they joined or were screwed to the supporting framework. It has been suggested that this method of construction contributed to the failure to gain the contract - a more likely reason was that Fodens did not have the mass-production capacity of AEC or Leyland at that time. Dinky did indeed omit this detail from their civilian eight-wheelers, but other models in the range also missed out on roof details - the Leyland Octopus for instance should have some ridges across the roof towards the rear, and many British cabs of the time had a ventilator panel of some kind on the roof.

 I also wondered about the choice of hubs on this model, and agree that it does look nice with the grooved hubs!

 Kevin.

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Thanks Kevin! Pat Kennett, in his The Foden Story, from farm machinery to diesel trucks (London, Patrick Stephens, 1978), shows some nice examples and comments: 'From 1940 to 1944 Fodens supplied 1,750 heavy trucks to the War Office, all DG models and most of them on three axles with a design gross weight of 19 tons'. So this predecessor of the FG, was the regular one, and used in huge numbers.

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The smooth roofed 10 ton Foden with no driver , I now have 4 of these including a boxed example. The ridged roof example with no driver I have two of these, and a further oddity of a supertoys with no driver, and no tin plate for the driver to sit on was ever fitted, quality control missed this example.

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Hello "Silversandm35"

Will you be adding some pictures to go with your Post?  I (and no doubt many others!) would certainly like to see images of your four models of the 622 with the smooth roof.

Just to add to this topic, I am adding some more images of the Foden DG in British and Canadian military service.

Kind regards

Bruce H.   (150)

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Here is my Code 3 version of the Foden DG using the Dinky 10-ton Army Truck.

Chris.

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What a first-class re-construction of the Foden DG, made even better with the use of Supertoys grooved hubs.

Congratulations!  I wish I was blessed with your skills!

Kind regards

Bruce H.   (150)

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I have tried to put the pictures on and the site won't accept them because they are more than 2mb.

 

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Ray,

Email me your pictures, I will put them on for you.

Congratulations for a fabulous code 3.

dinkycollect@free.fr

 

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These are Ray's pictures of his smooth cab roof Fodens.

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many thanks for putting the pictures on for me.

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A stunning result, Chris, your Foden DG Army Truck. A Dinky that never was, unfortunately. But now there is a unique one, yours!

Kind regards, Jan 

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Here under my last Dinky which arrived this morning from Nederland.

It has a smooth roof and its box shows the Hudson Dobson sticker ! It travelled a lot !!smiley

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Richard

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Nice one Richard!

Is there an Inspection Stamp on the inside of the box lid, and if so, can you share it with us? I am endeavouring to find out the period the 622 with the smooth roof was in production before the die was corrected, or added.

Many thanks! 

Bruce (150)

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Dear Bruce,

The photo below shows what I found in the cover of the box.

Does it mean april 56 ?

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Richard

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Yes, it does!
Terry

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In the words of my old mate Terry, "Yes it does", although it may also be wrong! The stamp could be a case of a reversal of numbers, "654" or June 1954. From the Inspection stamps I have acquired, I have 31 details for the 622. Of these there are three in my list for 622 without any roof ridges. All these have the stamp bearing an April 1954 date, GO 454, GO 4 54 and GU454. One of these details came from a fellow DTCA  member, Chris1.

What I think has happened here, is the inspector, most likely new to the job, not using a mirror image to place the numerals and letters in the correct order. The letters and number have to be placed in a mirror order for the stamp to appear on the internal of the box lid in the correct order. I have a DI as an inspector on a number of models but no other "ID". There also appears to be another letter or digit  after the "D".

All very interesting! However with these stamps, as serious collectors, it does place a date range when this feature of the 622 appeared. We can then discount any other date as one in which the model was added to a collection and then a good box was found for the model. An excellent  example of this is a model with a smooth roof, but now occupying a DINKY SUPERTOYS blue striped box with the Inspection Stamp of BG 157.

Kind regards

Bruce (150)

20200711/1211/2041

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