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--25j Jeep (1947-48)

Since Jan referred to this model in his very nice post on the 25y Universal Jeep, I thought it might be nice to continue a bit, but in it's own thread. It appears that this little model was introduced in 1947, one year after it's military brother first appeared. The GBoDT says it was discontinued in 1952, but it did appear in the U.S. 1953 catalog (see photo below). By 1954, the catalog was showing the new, larger 25y. Jan's photo of his 25j shows the earlier black wheels. Apparently the later export issues to the U.S. had colored wheels, as mine shows the blue wheels.
I will have to apologize some for my model; I bought this new from H.Hudson Dobson, early in my late childhood collecting era, around 1959. It did get played with some and the resultant scratches and chips were touched up many years ago. It does not look that bad under normal lighting, but when taking pictures, everything shows! You can tell that I also added treaded tires a long time ago...I thought they looked more appropriate on the Jeep, and don't want to pry them off now.
There are some other color versions, so please post them. And by the way, I much prefer this Jeep model to the later one. As Jan mentioned, it does have more detail, what with the rear mounted spare tire, the extra gas can next to it, and that neat shovel mounted on the drivers side. It even had the gas tank under the drivers seat, and the muffler on the passenger side. I always loved the great detail on this model...very nicely done by Dinky!
    Best regards, Terry

 

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Terry, indeed a typical export example with those coloured hubs. Before reading your comment I was surprised to see the treaded tyres. It is very understandable that in those days we didn't like those smooth tyres on heavy duty vehicles, whereas we now like the period charm and authenticity of the smooth tyres, where applied originally. In fact they are often too smooth in relation to the scale, or too heavy treaded. In your case the small treaded tyres happen to be no scale misfits.
In that respect I must say that I have always appreciated the pre- and early post-war small treaded tyres much better than the later ones, used from 1957 onwards. These early finely treaded tyres were much better conform the scale of many of the Dinky models on which they were used.
A photo of two Jeeps, the civilian with smooth and the military with the early treaded tyres. I cannot imagine why Dinky discontinued those.

By the way, I touched on this matter a long time ago:

http://dtcawebsite.org/dinky-forum/2-dtca-forum/71-tyres-early-post-war-...

Kind regards, Jan

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Hi Terry,
Your red Jeep looks lovely with those blue hubs.
Chris Warr

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Jan--
Just some followup comments on the subject that you brought up about the finely treaded tires, used later pre-war and early post war. And by the way, I did look at your excellent earlier writeup that you posted the link to....very interesting for sure!
I also agree with you that those early treaded versions look very nice, and much more realistic. I think it is because the individual "block or raised tread area is both smaller in size, but also closer together. As time passed, Meccano seemed to make both the size of the block tread and also the space between them larger, thereby giving an exaggerated look, and not too authentic.
I only have one example of these tires, and that is on a pre-war AA gun unit. I tried taking some closeups today to better show how these tires looked from the side as well as the tread end itself. I know this is straying from the original thread here, but since we kind of opened the discussion here, thought it best end it here also...........

Terry

Pre-war AA Gun Unit

Side view

Notice how small the individual tread blocks are & how close together they are

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The red version with blue hubs, now with the smooth tyres. It is the later US export version and the fifth issue of the Jeep casting according to Keith Harvie, showing extended casting gates below the bonnet and the paint ring underneath.

Four Jeeps, military and civilian, compared below, from left to right 2nd issue (x2), 5th and 6th issues. 6th issue with crimped axle ends, no rounded axle ends yet.