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Fri, 12/12/2014 - 22:07

dinkycollect

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-407 Ford Transit Van 'Kenwood' (1966-69) & Hertz.

Hello everybody.

This Ford came in this morning ....... to visit its family already in my cabinet :lol:

All are very happy to welcome the new brother !

Euh !!!! I mixed the photos a little ! sorry for that up side down presentation !! :blush: :blush:

Yours friendly.

Richard

Fri, 12/12/2014 - 22:09

dinkycollect

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Hi Richard,

the collection is obviously thriving. Your postman must be very tired and stressed, delivering not only a lot of Chistmas cards but a lot of Dinky Toys as well !

So now you have the last Panhard SNCF version both with convex and concave hubs, and the Ford 'Kenwood' with and without white roofs, as I understand ?

Congratulations !

Kind regards,

Jan

Fri, 12/12/2014 - 22:10

dinkycollect

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Yes Jan, you understood well !

Thank you for your kind words.

In fact, my postman is a postwoman and she is very happy with my packets because they have less and less work because of internet ! Meanwhile, I gave her a good christmas gift ! She is less sad !

Cheers

Richard

Fri, 12/12/2014 - 22:11

dinkycollect

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A nice selection of Transits there. I

Fri, 12/12/2014 - 23:00

Richard

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Hi Fred.
2 answers tonight with photos : base plate and number plate.

No marks on the seat for the policeman driver.
For the rack, I will compare tomorrow with my police versions.
Friendly yours.
Richard

Sat, 12/13/2014 - 12:57

dinkycollect

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Salut Richard,

I had never heard about the blue roof Transit, it must be something very rare, I have been through the Vectis previous auctions but there is not any there.

Was there a run made of them or are they flaws on which the white has been forgotten ?

Is the base plate black or dark grey ?

The registration MTB 217 F is for Lancashire in 1967. It was also used for the ref. 205 Cortina Rallye.

Jacques.

Sat, 12/13/2014 - 13:25

Fred7A

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Thanks for the pictures, Richard. I see your one is later production too. Interesting that it doesn't have a hole in the driver's seat. My one has a hole, and also slots in the load area floor between the wheel arches (where the rack on the Police version would fit). The interior is also a lighter red than on my Kenwood with white roof.

Does your body casting have a protrusion inside the roof at the back, where the radar gun would be on the Police version? I'm not sure I've explained this too well, and I'm having problems with photos at the moment.

I have seen the blue-roofed Kenwood mentioned a few times, so I'm sure it's a run rather than an error, but it appears to be quite scarce. I saw one in a display at Beaulieu Motor Museum earlier this year.

Sat, 12/13/2014 - 14:21

Richard

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Salut Jacques.

Between both transits the all light blue is the rarest but common.
You often can find one on e-bay.
It is mentioned, in "L'Argus de la Miniature", in the Dinky french club encyclopedia and in the "guide Dinky Toys anglais" de JMR and in the "DINKY TOYS & MODELLED MINIATURES" of Mike and Sue Richardson (page 169)
Here under, some photos comparing both Ford.

The upper Fords is the white roof.

No hole in the driver seat.

Same floors

The inside roof of the "all light blue" shows the marks for the police Ford Transit.
Better view with the next photo :

That's all folks !

Richard

Sun, 12/14/2014 - 08:22

dinkycollect

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Photo by courtesy of Richard H.

There is an other detail which has been added for the Transit fire engine, the recess B. It must have been added at the same time as the speed trap boss A to attach the yellow plastic ladder and bells rack.

According to Mike R. the promotionnal Transit reads 1,000,000 Transits made for Ford Motor Co.

This means that the Transits were not made by Ford, then who made them at the time ? I thought that they were made in a Ford factory (closed now) in Southampton.

Is there a picture to confirm this text ?

Mon, 12/15/2014 - 14:17

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Fred7A

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Thanks for all those great pictures Richard! My one has the same casting as yours, but a later interior. Yesterday I was watching Dickinson's Real Deal on TV (quite by chance), and there was a selection of old boxed toys including a blue-roof Kenwood. The whole selection went for

Mon, 12/15/2014 - 16:30

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dinkycollect

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Fred,

Thank you for these extremely rare pictures and the information about the label. Richardson was wrong there. If you are the very lucky owner of this van would you please make me large pictures of it for the Dinky Toys Encyclopaedia. So far I have only the picture from the GBDT with permission of Mike.

Has the van got jewelled headlights ? This is not obvious on the picture.

Can you please get in touch with me at dinkycollect@free.fr

Thanks and regards.

Jacques.

Mon, 12/15/2014 - 19:04

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starni999

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Hi all,
I thought that what Mike R was saying was that the 1,000,000 promo transit model was made by Dinky for Ford.
No doubting the real vans were made in Southampton, I worked there too as a contractor,
Chris Warr.

Wed, 12/17/2014 - 14:44

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Fred7A

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At the moment I am having trouble with photos

Thu, 12/18/2014 - 14:21

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Richard

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My three "HERTZ" in details :

3 different wheels :

Same floors but one in ivory :

Base plates :

Ceilings : all the same !

All have a hole in the driver seat.

That's all folks ! ;)

Richard

Thu, 12/18/2014 - 17:23

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dinkycollect

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Richard,

Thank you for these pictures but you forgot to show that there are three types of wheel hubs and you do not specify if the silver base plate is painted or in bare metal.

Jacques.

Thu, 12/18/2014 - 23:19

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Richard

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Hi Jacques,
I don't understand what you mean about the wheel hubs ! I think that you can see the three types, on at least two photos : the first and the last one.
For the base plate, I think that it's in bare metal !
It looks like the black Austin taxi's base plate, ref. 284.

Richard

Fri, 12/19/2014 - 10:29

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dinkycollect

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Sorry Richard, you did show the three different hubs but you did not mention them.

If one rearly wants to go into tiny variations, all the small parts for the type 1 Transits were made in double cavities dies which were marked A or B. So each Transit may have a mix of A and B parts.

The wind screen was made in a four cavities die, the screens are marked TRANSIT and A, B, C or D.

Fri, 12/19/2014 - 18:29

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Fred7A

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You can open a hire van business! I don't remember seeing an unpainted base before, apart from on the Avis kit version! I've seen them with the base in blue.

Looking at the part letters is just too much for me! :laugh:

My late bubble-packed Hertz Transit has a really poorly fitting sliding door - the driver would be able to put his arm through the gap at the front!

Fri, 12/19/2014 - 18:38

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dinkycollect

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Fred
There were at least four colours for the Hertz base plate.

Mon, 12/22/2014 - 17:37

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dinkycollect

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Ten Transits.

Sun, 01/24/2021 - 15:38

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janwerner

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Hi all, I know virtually nothing about these Ford Transit vans, but on behalf of our Treasurer I forward the pictures below, asking for any comment on this 'Stardrops' van. Kind regards, Jan

Sun, 01/24/2021 - 16:29

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dinkycollect

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I would say that this is a code 3 made from a # 271 Ford Transit fire appliance on which the roof rack has been removed and the roof holes have been hiden with some sort of screw, rivets or else.

Sun, 01/24/2021 - 21:04

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janwerner

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You must be correct in that, Jacques. Now I see on the picture of the ten Transits above that it's the fire vehicle only which is supplied with an antenna, which is also visible on the model in discussion. The red colour must be considerably faded. Thanks and kind regards Jan

Tue, 01/26/2021 - 19:25

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Fred7A

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So that's what happens to Ford Transits when the fire brigade sell them on! I like the simple but neat way the roof holes have been hidden. I should think that the transfers were intended as side adverts for a model bus, by someone such as Mabex.

Dinky produced this model in either metallic dark red or plain red, so this example hasn't faded as much as you might think from looking at the fire appliance in the group shot!

Thu, 01/28/2021 - 11:21

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fodenway

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A former acquaintance of mine was employed by Thornton & Ross Ltd of Huddersfield (England), from leaving school in the late 1960s. The company were the producers of "Stardrops" at that time, and he had a recollection of seeing some promotional toy vans in the offices there, although he was not interested in models and could not remember anything else about them other than that they were red. Unfortunately, we lost contact around thirty years ago, but the company is now part of the German-based Stada Group, and is still trading from the works at Linthwaite, Huddersfield. Looking at the example shown, it would seem that the transfers are a little too pristine in comparison with the rest of the paintwork, and those domes on the roof certainly look like 'pop' rivets fitted as part of an amateur conversion.