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--25V - Benne à ordures.

rare early issue of the benne à ordures with light green ridged hubs.

Richard,

In his last book (page 294), JMR states that there are late bennes à ordures with stripes inside the tipper body. Do you agree with this or is it one more of JMR's many fancies ? Any pictures ?

 


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Re : --25V - Benne à ordures.

Dear Jacques.

I discover your message today.

Yes , JMR is right !surprisesurprise

See the photos here under.

Friendly yours.

Richard


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Re : --25V - Benne à ordures.

Merci Richard pour ces photos.


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Re : --25V - Benne à ordures.

The French Ford garbage truck was introduced in October 1950 (Gardiner & O’Neill) or January 1951 (Roulet). In 1954 it was introduced in the USA and included in the US 1955 catalog for the last time. The French catalogues say: 'Bascule méchaniquement, les panneaux glissent, la porte arrière s'ouvre' (tipping mechanically, sliding covers, opening tailgate). Many moving parts indeed for such a small scale model. The tilting garbage container is provided with two movable, tinplate sliders in the centre, and at the rear it has a hinged tailgate, which needs a lifting movement before opening. The tipping mechanism works via a gear rack, which can be moved to the front and to the back with a rotating handle on the left. That rack is clearly visible at the front of the cab, looking through the cab windows, when it is in a rest position. It pushes the garbage container upwards, when moved backwards with the handle.

Only the first variant of 1950 has lighter green wheels than the rest of the model. Initially everything is still smooth: the insides of the cab roof and the dirt container, and so is the inside surface of the tailgate. Everything according to Roulet.

Variant two is completely dark green, wheels included. Also, the inside sides of the roof and garbage container are still smooth, except that of the tailgate, which has a flat cross added below. In 1951, the sliding guides at the front (or base of the immobile front cover?) are still straight, flush, but in 1952 this second variant shows 'open', upwardly bent guides / cover bases at the front.

The third variant, of 1953, still has the 'open', upward pointing sliding guides, but the interior of the roof now has a criss-cross pattern.

The fourth variant remains largely unchanged: the cross still exists on the inside of the tailgate, but now the inside of the container, on top, at the front, features a moulded tiny stripes pattern. Depending of the definition of a variant, Roulet keeps open the possibility that there are more intermediate combination variants, which is apparent from the fact that Redempt and Wagner (Séries 25 et 500 Camions, fourgons, camionnettes, autocars, autobus, series des militaries) list five variants.

As usual for this period, the model was only sold from grey retail boxes, containing half a dozen models.

The English counterpart is the slightly older (Bedford) Refuse Wagon, in the parallel English series 25, and also numbered 25v (in 1954 renumbered 252). In the Dutch catalog of 1953 both garbage trucks are included, the English one under no. 25v, the French under the temporarily adjusted number 25vf! The same goes for the 1955 US catalogue, where the French one is designated an F and asterisk: F25v*. By the way, contrary to the English models the French models in the Dutch contemporary catalogues do not have fixed retail prices. The relevant pages refer to the individual retailers, without mentioning any price.

The over 10% difference in scale (1:48 versus 1:55) makes a difference in the volumes of both models, the British one looking more robust than the tiny, more intricate looking French truck. Although the British Bedford cab had various adoptions, the French Ford undisputedly surpassed that number. However different they may be, there is – understandably – also a great deal of analogy in the construction of and material used for both models: the tipping mechanism, the tinplate shutters and the hinged, downward tilting tailgate. Compared to the English counterpart, the French garbage truck had a remarkably short life, 17/18 years versus 4/5 years.

Since Atlas issued a replica of this model, it is not easy to find a real Dinky Toy between all these recent counterfeits. Apart from the mirror-smooth casting and the immaculate lacquer finish, the replica can always be unmasked by the presence of an individual box (which the original never had) combined with the always 'open', obliquely upward pointing immobile front cover (and sometimes even a notable crack in the chassis).

Though still rather hard to find in immaculate condition, no doubt influenced by the availability of the very cheap Atlas issue, the price of an original is quite modest nowadays, mine having cost only slightly more than some of the most expensive Atlas examples offered recently.

As always, comments, additions and corrections welcome! Kind regards, Jan   

 


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Re : --25V - Benne à ordures.

May I add to Jan's excellemt article ?

The Ford Poissy benne à ordures was first advertised on page 8 of the French 1950 Dinky Toys catalogue as "nouveauté" to be available from October. It was last seen in the 1954 catalogue and in the June 1954 Meccano Magazine after a life span of only four years. It was the last of the Ford's to be produced.

Reduced to the size of 1 / 68 there were indeed five variations as follows :

1) Chassis type 1 or 2 ? with smooth cab ceiling, closed grooves, smooth tipper, no cross on the tail board, light green then from 1951 onward dark green.
2) As above but with type 3 chassis.
3) As above but with cross on the tail gate, smooth cab ceiling, the grooves are open at the front.
4) As above but with checkered cab ceiling.
5) As above but with checkered cab ceiling, the bottom of the tipper is grooved. see picture below

 

 

Early smooth and later ribbed tail gate.

The simple but fragile tipping mechanism. The zamac rack is often brocken.

 

 

The Atlas issue is easily recognasible as all the models have a bent chassis.


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Re : --25V - Benne à ordures.

Thank you, Jacques. I will replace my incorrect scale by the 1/68 scale you mention in my catalogue. This makes the discrepancy in scales of these models even bigger than I was aware of! Kind regards, Jan