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--29h and 282 Duple Roadmaster Coach (1952-60)

Some more pictures now regarding the 29h Duple Roadmaster Coach, especially the cream/green one.

I like the magnifying glass presentation of the basic model in the September 1952 issue of Meccano Magazine. These early graphic representations of the model always show it as slightly too low on its wheels.

This cream/green one seems to have been introduced parallel to the regular blue and red finished examples, as it occurs in the US catalogue of 1952 already.

As far as I’m aware this is the only explicit advertising of this export model, as later US and other catalogues (US 1953 shown above) only show the blue one and also the red version. That’s why I cannot find an end-date of this model. It seems that the boxes have straight, pre-1957 lettering only, which might be an indication. Others may have more information on this.

Here it is, the cream/green one, this one with green hubs, other hub colours are cream and red. The standard box with the blue and red models on each side, shows the correct cream colour dot, done as a sticker (possibly pasted over the green or red dot?). The picture-side oval for the catalogue number of this coach is remarkably black and tiny. Other boxes show a bigger red oval. The initial issues were packed in trade boxes, this export version as well.

A view of the green one and its red and blue contemporary colleagues. Anybody else may explain the later yellow/red one, its availability and date of introduction and discontinuation!

Finally a demonstration of the remarkable colour match of this coach version and the Samua autobus parisien, French no. 29d/570 (the seemingly ‘missing link’ between the British Double Decker 29c and the same 29f Observation Coach).

By the way, here they are together, in the 1955 US catalogue, page 18!

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Re : --29h and 282 Duple Roadmaster Coach (1952-60)

Jan

That is a brilliant example of the green/cream version with green hubs - especially the box with the cream end spot! Excellent. Here are my examples, sadly without a box and with a couple of chips.

And lastly all three plus two others, the yellow and light blue. Missing are of course the usual red and mid-blue.

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Re : --29h and 282 Duple Roadmaster Coach (1952-60)

Greetings

According to the article in the last issue of CLASSIC TOYS magazine written Graham Bridges with help from Roger Bailey, published July/August 1996 the first issues of the 29h Duple Roadmaster Coach in 1952 had a smooth interior roof that does not have a rib that runs the full length of the interior. According to the author, this rib was presumed to aid the flow of molten mazak to the extremities of the rivet spigots. Apparently the spigot posts used to secure the base plate were not filling properly and this amendment to the tooling rectified the problem.

Here is my 29h Duple Roadmaster Coach that arrived in our household for Christmas 1952 with its smooth interior roof.

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Bruce and Jan--
A very nice writeup on the Duple Roadmaster bus, and its various configurations. I always thought it a handsome bus, and only wish I had acquired a few more of them. My only model is the later yellow with red flashes. I attempted to try and find out more abut this color, but found very little after looking in the usual places. I re-looked through my U.S. catalogs, which I have through 1959, and did not see the yellow version ever shown. Most of the references seem to say it was a late color issue, but no dates are given. Most of the sources both show and state that it came with white tires, and some of the pictures show white treaded tires, of the sort seen around 1958-1959.
The one I have, with photos below, is apparently an early yellow version, as it has smooth black tires. I am not sure if the last versions had the glossy baseplate, but mine is the usual "mottled" color from earlier.
I can not find record of when or who I purchase this from, but it is over 15 years ago. It did come with a box, but I cannot be sure that it is the original one, and I tend to doubt that it is. It is a dual numbered 29h/282 box, yellow, with picture, and Dinky Toys in small lettering, which would seem to indicate around 1954-1955. There is no black oval with 282 on it near the image of the bus. It also does not show the yellow color, only the red and blue versions, and there is no color spot. In fact, I don't ever remember seeing a box showing the yellow one. Seems that I also noticed that some seemed to indicate this was possibly an export only model. Any comment on that would be welcomed!
Possibly others can add more, as the other colors seem well documented.
Regards,
Terry

 


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Re : --29h and 282 Duple Roadmaster Coach (1952-60)

About the boxes.

This coach was launched in tradeboxes of six items reference 50 163. It was soon given the dual reference yellowbox with upright DINKY TOYS and no oval on the sides showing the model drawings, no colour spot either. Next was the same yellow box but with red ovals and colour spots on the end flaps. Finally in 1959 - 60 the model was packed in the yellow/ red boxes. No lighter yellow boxes are known (or are there) meaning that the end of production was 1960.


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dinkyfan wrote:
"Bruce and Jan--
A very nice writeup on the Duple Roadmaster bus, and its various configurations. I always thought it a handsome bus, and only wish I had acquired a few more of them. My only model is the later yellow with red flashes. I attempted to try and find out more abut this color, but found very little after looking in the usual places. I re-looked through my U.S. catalogs, which I have through 1959, and did not see the yellow version ever shown. Most of the references seem to say it was a late color issue, but no dates are given. Most of the sources both show and state that it came with white tires, and some of the pictures show white treaded tires, of the sort seen around 1958-1959.
The one I have, with photos below, is apparently an early yellow version, as it has smooth black tires. I am not sure if the last versions had the glossy baseplate, but mine is the usual "mottled" color from earlier.
I can not find record of when or who I purchase this from, but it is over 15 years ago. It did come with a box, but I cannot be sure that it is the original one, and I tend to doubt that it is. It is a dual numbered 29h/282 box, yellow, with picture, and Dinky Toys in small lettering, which would seem to indicate around 1954-1955. There is no black oval with 282 on it near the image of the bus. It also does not show the yellow color, only the red and blue versions, and there is no color spot. In fact, I don't ever remember seeing a box showing the yellow one. Seems that I also noticed that some seemed to indicate this was possibly an export only model. Any comment on that would be welcomed!
Possibly others can add more, as the other colors seem well documented.
Regards,
Terry

Hello Terry

With the yellow "US School Bus Version", I refer to the same article in CLASSIC TOYS magazine. It lists this version as being available between 1957 and 1960, with the previous scheme of red with brighter red ridged wheels, and dark blue with light blue hubs continuing until 1959 with the yellow version finally being withdrawn in 1960. The earlier green and cream with either cream, red or green hubs was available from 1952 to about 1957 also. The yellow version was generally available with either the smooth or treaded black tyres. Like many Dinky Toys, occasionally the factory used white tyres, although in many cases, there was a lot of swapping going on by young enthusiasts.

As for boxes, the article states the yellow version came in its own box showing the yellow model on one side and the red model on the other, which can be assumed that the yellow model replaced the dark blue version. It also states that the yellow model was packaged in a red and yellow sided box without any illustrations. The box that came with your model is not the original, as this colour was not in use in the 1954-1955 period when dual numbers were included. I have seen a photograph of a yellow model sitting on a pictorial box with a yellow end-flap spot, although I cannot recall exactly where I saw it. If I can locate the image I will post it here.

Finally thank you for your words about the model itself, "I always thought it a handsome bus, and only wish I had acquired a few more of them." I too am in agreement, as I thought it was very modern-looking. I even liked the 281! In fact, I liked everything that Meccano produced - at least as far as 1963 as from then on the wheels started falling off in the factory, not to mention the opening doors, boots, bonnets, seats, steering wheel. . . . . and the move away from the traditional boxes. But then that is another topic!

Kind regards

Bruce (150)
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17 June 2015


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Hello all:

Here are some photos of typical New york City buses of the 1950's, of which
probably Meccano used as examples for the color variations of the 29h/292 bus
for issue to the USA. The brand is a Mack chassis type.
Regards, Jose.


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Hi Bruce:
Here's a photo of the rare turquoise(light blue) Duple Roadmaster Coach with its box.
Cheers, Jose.


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Bruce
Thanks so much for adding the information about when the yellow with red version was made. That does make some sense......was that color made available everywhere, and not a US version? My 1959 US catalog only shows fhe red one. Have any of you ever seen a yellow one in a catalog?
Regards,
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Re : --29h and 282 Duple Roadmaster Coach (1952-60)

Both the blue and red ones I showed above have smooth inside roofs. Moreover, neither of them have individual boxes and may have come in trade boxes, before 1954.
Hi Jose, nice to 'see' you again. As you have no doubt observed I started this thread with the green/cream one which you advised me to buy recently!
Kind regards, Jan


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dinkyfan wrote:
"Bruce
Thanks so much for adding the information about when the yellow with red version was made. That does make some sense......was that color made available everywhere, and not a US version? My 1959 US catalog only shows fhe red one. Have any of you ever seen a yellow one in a catalog?
Regards,
Terry"

Hello Terry

As far as Australia is concerned, or more correctly, Armidale in New South Wales, I never knew of the existence of any other colour scheme apart from the red and dark blue. I did see in a Meccano Magazine a diorama of a racing event prepared by The Toyman that shows a couple of Duple Roadmasters in a two-tone colour scheme, although I did not know their colour as the photograph was in black and white. I only became aware of this version through eBay and some of the early literature I obtained, plus of course CLASSIC TOYS magazine in 1996. So it was quite a learning curve to learn of all these variations.

None of the catalogues shows the 282 in yellow, nor for that matter any of the leaflets I have in my collection. I have no idea why this colour version never appeared in print. I must check the Meccano Magazines.

Kind regards

Bruce (150)
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Latindinkyfan09 wrote:
"Hi Bruce:
Here's a photo of the rare turquoise(light blue) Duple Roadmaster Coach with its box.
Cheers, Jose. "

Hello Jose

I wondered what had happened to the photograph of your boxed example, so I guess you were still loading it when I first logged into this Thread.

And here is mine, sans box! A little the worse for wear, but still worthy of retention! This example was upgraded from a very chipped one I picked up through eBay back in 2001.

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Bruce (150)
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Hi Bruce:

In the 1955 US issue catalog, there is a color example of the 282 two-tone bus in color with the rare red hubs. Check the photo of the cover from the DTCA archives.
Cheers,

Jose.


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Latindinkyfan09 wrote:
"Hi Bruce:

In the 1955 US issue catalog, there is a color example of the 282 two-tone bus in color with the rare red hubs. Check the photo of the cover from the DTCA archives.
Cheers,

Jose."

Hello Jose

Just goes to show that one should check out the data in this website!! I had completely forgotten about the US issued catalogues, so I dug out mine, and here it is!

Although it is interesting that H Hudson Dobson used the first plate image of the 29h which was done on a trial model with the picture they used of the model on page 18. The wheels are lower than on the actual model.

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Bruce (150)
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10 June 2015


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Bruce,

Your old light blue Duple Roadmaster is still here, it made the return trip from Australia a few years ago.

Anybody wants it, please make an offer.

Jacques.


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Jacques

So the little fellow is still with you? Coming up to seven years ownership. It is apparent that the light blue Duple Roadmaster is the rarest 282. A quick check through Vectis auctions from 2006 has revealed that only four models have sold of which one was sold twice, so only three have seen the light of a Vectis auction in that time. (Another reason to pull out my old print Vectis catalogues from 1994!) I have not been a constant visitor to eBay so I have no idea how many have appeared for auction on that website.

So keep the little fellow Jacques, at least for the time being!

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Bruce (150)
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Re : --29h and 282 Duple Roadmaster Coach (1952-60)

Here are the color shades on my blue items.

Medium and Royal blue .

Richard


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The buses company here under :


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Now the differences :

1)smooth inside roof

2)smooth inside roof + central reinforcement

3)diamond-shaped squaring inside roof + central reinforcement + striated tyres

4)29h baseplate without reference number and 282 with reference number and an another letters shape

That's all folks smiley ......... for today !

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Richard


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Re : --29h and 282 Duple Roadmaster Coach (1952-60)

Some additional remarks, data and pictures now, mainly regarding the yellow coach with red and silver detailing.

The Amended Colour schemes memo of the 5th February 1957 shows that of the two current, regular colour schemes (red and blue) the blue one is to be replaced by the yellow colour scheme. And this should be executed as soon as new appropriate boxes are available. That box is obviously the one showing the yellow example illustrated on one side and the remaining red one on the other side. The illustration on the box seems to be the only known picture of the yellow coach indeed. I have made a detailed scan showing this illustration.

Terry’s yellow example with smooth tyres demonstrates that early examples must have been produced before the general tyre change of August 1957, so, in spring or summer of 1957 at last.

Only the red one was illustrated in the catalogues and relating publicity. Later models of the yellow one were also packed in the yellow/red boxes without illustrations, so 1959-1960. Subsequent later boxes are not known as Jacques confirms. Moreover, in 1961 the red Duple Roadmaster Coach has disappeared from the catalogues and these present the new American no. 949 Wayne School Bus, in the same colour scheme, apparently a more realistic large scale replacement for the yellow Duple Roadmaster (which may in reality never have seen the American roads). So the time span of official availability would be about mid 1957 and well into 1960. Shop stock will understandably have remained much longer. The market aimed at must mainly have been the USA.

The scheme far below is from Model Collector, the June-July issue of 1989 (page 38). It was included in the Dinky Toys review of the Duple Roadmaster Coach ‘One of the more attractive Dinky Toys was the Duple Roadmaster coach, both for its looks and colour schemes’.

Of course it is very old, thirty years now, and a lot more has come to light as Dinkies is concerned, but it still has its merits. These are some remarks I can make:

1. To the green/cream version (1-2) the red hubs variant should be added.

2. As Richard demonstrates above the later red version (7) is also spotted with black block tread tyres and with inside roof hatching.

3. The yellow one (8) also comes with smooth black tyres and black block tyres.

Please, comment if corrections or adjustments should be added to this. Kind regards, Jan 


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Dear Jan.

I just had a look on my few catalogues and I found that for you : a blue Duple roadmaster bus in an UK catalogue of 1956.

Kind regards.

Richard


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Thank you, Richard! As the blue one was replaced in 1957 this must be the last time it was advertised in the Dinky catalogues. Kind regards, Jan