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-191 Dodge Royal Sedan (1959-64)



As a boy I found Morris Minors rather boring and kept an eye out for Continental exotica or American giants. The Corgi Impala and Dinky Dodge Royal Sedan epitomised a wider world of exciting cars. This creamy and brown flash Dodge is my original, sporting a crack in the rear screen and some chipping but still quite nice. Note that there is no silver detailing to the rear wings or side strip.

 

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The arrival of the infamous Atlas copies renewed my interest in the Dodge and being lucky enough to have a mint Dinky 191 in green I looked at this in closer detail noting the presence of the side silver detailng. In other respects the two are the same including rear red lights and silver numberplate recess, as well as silver to the bumpers which never quite reaches the ends.

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In 2015 Atlas issued in their U.K. Dinky series #17 the green Dodge 191. It is a close match to the original, although a slightly greener colour, more silver to the rear bumper, clearer glazing and amended baseplate text. Weight is surprisingly similar although the Atlas rattles more and feels less substantial due I think to a thinner glazing moulding. Atlas had earlier issued 191 in their French series #39 in 2011, in light cream with blue flash, a ‘sought after’ colour combination.

2017 saw Atlas parent DeAgostini issue the cream and brown Dodge in Italy #32, which will no doubt appear in due course in the current U.K. series. The colour is more a fawn appearing greyish against the original.

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To compound the range of copies, some 4 two colour variants have appeared and although the base says Atlas they appear to be a factory inspired product. Shown here is the two tone blue. The dark blue is applied largely like the real cars and silver detailing extends to window frames although the C post is painted when it was chromed and the dark blue should extend to the rear light mid point. The colours appear to be based on Chrysler factory originals eg pink & grey.

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Patrick. A very interesting comparison of you from the DT Dodge Royal Sedan with the Atlas edition. Very interesting to see these different makes together. This compilation is already an interesting collection in itself. Indeed, at first glance little difference. The DT models have been reproduced by Atlas so perfectly that it is understandable that they are very popular. If you do not want per se to collect original DT models, you can now build together a very nice "Dinky" collection with Atlas edition for a reasonable price. That may be said and seen. And they are completely new and affordable. Fortunately, on the basis of the atlas edition it must be mentioned that it concerns an edition Atlas, which makes it easy to distinguish it from an original DT. I especially like his complete silver front to see and of course his flash coloured wings. Many thanks for this nice work.

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Are Atlas getting into the code 3 business? Or is it code 4?  There is a precedent in various christmas specials and gift sets; black DS, pink TBird, green Carabo, etc.  But now, as you're saying Pat, some unlisted mods are slipping out.  Blue and green DB5's and now the Dodge Royals .   Notice that the boxes are colour spotted appropriately, so this is not just a bit of messing about by someone in the paint shop.  There is organised intent here.

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I am following this discussion with interest, but what does the DB deterioration mean? In order to understand the discussion I would like to know.

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The entire title has been copied and pasted from the PDF File when only -191 Dodge Royal Sedan (1959-64) is required. I have noticed this since 8 March when theTopic was created and was hoping someone would raise the matter - I am glad you have. The "British DB Cars" in the title is unnecessary. DB stands for David Busfield who carried out most of the work with the PDF file for the new website.

As it stands, this Topic will be automatically filed by the system alphabetically rather than numerically until "British DB Cars" is deleted by Patrick the original author.

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Bruce. Thanks for your explanation. I thought it was related to the DB5 below the name Aston Martin on the window box above, but now I understand.

Jan O.

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Just finished reading Bruce’s piece on the De Soto. Interesting about the roof paintwork particularly as it is within a cast area.

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A rare nice Dodge Royal sold by Vectis on which the side line has not been painted silver. What are these lines called in English ? Mouldings ?

 

There seems to be a little "fatigue" in this car.
 

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I acquired a very scarce last version of this model in cream with light blue flash. A nice addition to my 1st edition of this beautiful model. The first edition of this model has the beautiful silver painted mouldings, which were not painted silver in the latest edition, but simply got the body colour. Meccano Liverpool made a very nice reproduction of this beautiful American car as shown below.

1958 Dodge brochure with the very nice complete chrome front with dual headlamps.

My both 191 with very nice silver painted front with dual headlamps – left 1e version dark cream body – right last version light cream body. Note the 7 vertical ribs of the radiator grille just like the real one.

1958 Dodge Royal 4-door Sedan. Note the special wheel covers and the chrome mouldings.

1958 Dodge Royal 4-door Sedan  

1958 Dodge Royal 4-door Sedan with the conspicuously open caudal fins.

Introduction 191 in Meccano Magazine UK March 1959

1958 Dodge Royal 4-Door Sedan in brochure. Note the special wheel covers and imposing chrome front.

My 1st version 191 Dodge Royal Sedan with very nice silver painted mouldings; without 4-wheel suspension.

Note the silver painted door handles and fuel cap valve.

1st version 191 Dodge Royal Sedan with number 191 in shiny baseplate - without 4-wheel suspension.

My recently acquired last version 191 Dodge Royal Sedan in cream body with light blue flash. It has 4-wheel suspension and came with the later light yellow picture box, but only with the mention “with windows” on the box. This version in this colour is very scarce and hard to find. It was issued for a very short time.

Unfortunately, an end flap of the box is missing. I am showing the seller's photos because they are clearer than mine. He is painted in a dull light cream colour with a light blue flash and not as shiny as the 1st editions. The discoloration of the tires is clearly visible and must be replaced. I will also be looking for a replacement box. But, as you can see Jacques, mine has no signs of fatigue.

Last version 191 Dodge Royal Sedan with no number in matte baseplate, with 4-wheel suspension, but without patent numbers engraved in the baseplate. As far as I could find and already stated by me in the 258 topic DT 191 and 258 Dodge Royal Sedan U.S.A. police car are the only Dinky Toys models with 4-wheel suspension that never received patent numbers engraved in the baseplate and that is very remarkable.

As far as I could find, this model 191 with 4-wheel suspension never received a box stating “4-wheel suspension” that the later box of the contemporaries 178 and 192 did.

Jan Oldenhuis, 18 February 2022.

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I thought that the last versions in cream with blue side flash were always performed without a number in the base and with suspension, as I showed in my contribution above. But I found one with number 191 in the base and without suspension. I have never seen this performance anywhere.

Jan Oldenhuis 29 October 2022