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Factory Errors

This thread is about Dinky Toys Factory Errors.

To get the thread rolling here is a factory error for my collection. It is also a test of the forum functionality.

I acquired this 953 Dinky Toys Continental Touring Coach a while back. It is in near mint condition except that the seller declared baseplate damage.

It turned out that this coach had made it through quality control even though the "rivets" weren't peened over. Therefore, at some time during its life the base has come loose and this has caused some distortion to the baseplate. It seems pretty well wedged in now.

Do members have any other similar examples?


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Here are my two Austin Champs. The one on the right is the first version with metal hubs and includes the correct Royal Armoured Corps red and yellow sign. The one on the left is the later version with plastic hubs and driver, this one has been fitted with a Royal Army Service Corps blue and yellow sign.

Whilst the Champ would have been seen in service with many Corps and Regiments the Dinky Drawing no 7790 calls for an RAC sign to be fitted.


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Here are my two 641 Humber 1-ton Trucks, the older one on the left has the Royal Armoured Corps sign applied correctly with the red triangle at the top left. The newer truck with windows on the right hand side has the RAC sign applied incorrectly with the red at the top right.

Had this happened in the real world some soldier would probably be peeling a lot of potatoes!


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Indeed, the application of transfers is very susceptible to mistakes. Another factory flaw example, made by an assembly line girl who was rather dreaming of her lover than of Massey-Harris.

:laugh:

The wrong one:

The correct one on the other side:

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Here is what the stamp should have looked like.


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Thank you very much! That is what I intended to show on the other side, which has the correct order, but I did not manage to upload a second picture within one message.

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Gentlemen

That must have been one love-struck lady! Two of my manure spreaders have the same "error". Maybe the factory was actuallly trying to create the legend "Massey Harris" reading from left to right, but the casting makes this difficult. Hopefully my accompanying image is clear.


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This is probably the strangest I ever came by:

Still need to mention it on dinkysite.com which is really quite apalling.

Jonathan


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Jonathan

What is the problem with this one ?
Dinky Supertoys hubs ?
Else ?


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The missing flash on the cab. :-).


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Hello,

Apparently this no. 465 Morris Van ‘Capstan’ was produced shortly before or shortly after the weekend. Althought the front got its second, dark blue colour (and the right-hand side too, as mentioned in the description), the left side was forgotten.

It was auctioned by Vectis in the Simply Dinky sale of 5 November 1997 as lot no. 234.

After 12 years the model showed up again in the Wallis & Wallis auction of November 2009.
Although unusual, flaws like missing second colours or silver trim do show up sometimes. The previous owner had it in its collection for at maximum 12 years, merely, but the present owner must like it much more, having spent a crazy £1000 for it! (see also Model Collector of February 2010, page 74).

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Remained unsold on the recent 24 February Vectis Auction: an extremely beautiful example of the first version no. 555 Fire Engine with Extending (brown) Ladder, a virtually pristine box included.

However, the silver trim for the bumper(s) is lacking, a flaw that was not mentioned in the description of this lot.

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Here is another military error. The vehicle on the left has the incorrect Royal Armoured Corps red/yellow insignia whilst the vehicle on the right has the correct Royal Artillery red/blue insignia.


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This 161 Austin Somerset is similar to Jan's fire engine above in that there is no silvering at all at the front of the vehicle. It was part of the Remy-Meeus auction at Christies in 2001.

I find that these are amusing; had the painter who did this at Binns Road been discovered they would have been told-off, and yet now we collectors take great delight in discovering a factory error. What would we have though 60 years ago when we got home and found something was not right, we never packed it away thinking it would be worth £300 in a few years time!!!!

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Whenever I see these pristine models with more or less obvious flaws or deficiencies, I can't help imagining how fathers went back to the toy shop with their crying little sons about things being wrong about the Dinky Toys gift. I have a mint Breakdown Van with a completely stuck, immobile wire. I don't mind, but it may have been a historic family drama, when a little boy insisted on it being changed in the toy shop for a working example. And there are numerous other examples like that. Subsequently these refused toys remained in the toy shop stock for years and years, and survived unplayed-with, mint and boxed, until a collector bought it as a bargain (with a minor or at least interesting deficiency).

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Here are two of my 105e/384 Grass Cutters.

As can be seen the painting of the wheels is different. This makes me wonder .... is the difference a factory error or a deliberate production design change?

Has anyone any thoughts on this.


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Interesting. Both mine have the grey wheels, one has red blades the other green as the ones above. This is possibly and error or if more turn up a production change to remove a paint process.


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Here is an interesting one this 321 Manure Spreader has no 'Massey Harris' markings at all. I have spoken to the person who has owned it from new and it has always been like this.


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Hopefully this time the pics are here


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But this is a regular feature on these very late model versions and not a factory error. This is simply Meccano deliberately reducing production costs!

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My mint model is the same and it has the later box:


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Not sure if this is a factory error but it is an example of very poor quality control:

In preparing a soon to be published article on the Military Figures, I have photographed my collection.

The above shows the pre-war and post war 150a Royal Tank (Armoured) Corps Officer.

The right hand one, post war has a lot of metal flash between his feet which has been painted on for posterity. Was the base colour painted by machine (dipped in a bath of paint?) with details being hand done. Also his right hand shoe hasn't much black.

Still these figures are only about 27.5mm high.


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There are also some printing errors like on this 1938 Swedish catalogue.


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Here are two examples of figures from set 1 where the painters have applied an incorrect colour base.

Large-sized Set 1 Station Staff had orange bases, all other large-sized figures had buff or sand coloured bases.

The two on the left are small-sized 1b Guards. The left hand one is painted with the "correct" base, the other has the orange base as would have been correct for teh large figures. In the Graebes, the Hornby Gauge O System, this exact variation is illustrated so this is not unique.

On the right are two 1a large-sized Station Masters, here the one with the orange base is correct and the other has had applied a sand/buff base such as would have been used on the Set 3 Passengers etc.. This is a Hornby Series example so it is definately an error.

I believe it is possible that when the small-sized figures were introduced that the orange bases were used for a short time. However, the overwhelming majority of small-sizrd figures do not have orange bases. Graebe also notes that the two sizes of figures were probably produced in parallel so there would have been ample opportunity for mix-ups.


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Hi everybody. It's the first time that I come in this forum and I hope that I will make it well.
I have too an "factory errors" ! One of my "25 Pounder Field Gun Tractor" has his pilot who is sitting inside out ! He has is back in front of the wind-screen ! probably to beat a retreat quicker ! :laugh:


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Richard,

It would be nice if you could post a macro picture of your tractor showing the driver.

Amicalement.

Jacques.


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I need to revise my view on the 1b Guard above. There are too many with orange-painted bases for these to be factory errors (note also one illustrated in the Graebe's "The Hornby Gauge O System) on page 214).

I have just acquired this Set 1 Station Staff:

What is worthy of note is that it is a late set of large-sized figures in the later long box (most commonly seen with small sized figures).

It has another small-sized 1b Guard with an orange base and not the earlier large-sized 1b Guard. It was actually the one in front which has the rear of the base missing and difficulty standing.

This set which I have every reason to suspect has always been together with this box has several features that date it to 1937:

The box is undated, dating of Hornby/Meccano boxes came in in late 1937 or early 1938. The later boxes are dated with order details number ordered and month/year, e.g. 9-39.

It has the late issue 1f Walking Guard with the revised buttons and base, these only appeared late in the production of the large-sized figures. probably 1937.

It has a small-sized guard but the base has been painted to match the other figures in the set.

I, therefore, revise my view that since there seem to be quite a few of these guards with orange bases, they must have replaced the large-sized guard for some reason late in the production of the larger figures. Perhaps the mould got damaged or there was a decision to save a small amount of metal.

I have also found another example on the Vectis site where, there is a small-sized set with a 1b Guard with an orange base with the others having buff/sand bases.

The box I obtained needs some TLC and a new insert which I will print from my scans (also on the Members' section in boxes and inserts).

I will revise my articles on figures with the information deduced from this set ASAP.


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OK Jacques. I tried but it is difficult to see the position of the driver.

It is an item with wind-screen.

I took off the right front tyre and we can see the legs.


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