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Wheel variations (cont...)

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Adding to the green wheels, here is the red wheel version. Bruce

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Some of the Terex trucks also have red wheels.

The Coles truck can have either yellow or black plastic hubs.

If we start listing all the wheel variations, we shall overload the software. Remember that there are at least 131 different Dinky wheels, not counting the various colours.

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Yes I know all about wheel variations. I produced Dinky News for a number of years in the late 1990s. My "name" is the Pidgin English translation. I tho9ught this was a discussion, then what you are saying about overloading the system should have applied earlier. Perhaps my input is no longer needed.

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Jacques

There was a time when Jan and I were virtually the only people on this forum and it often felt like a lonely place.

We now have a lot more members being very active with MEANINGFUL DISCUSSIONS and a huge amount of GOOD FORUM TOPICS.

The last thing we should do is put people off from entering their thoughts on a topic - especially when they are adding good information to the Dinky world.

You are TOTALLY OUT OF ORDER HERE, and an apology to Bruce is now NEEDED, I assume you will do so WITHOUT DELAY.

Let us keep the discussions flowing in a FRIENDLY MANNER and RESPECT other peoples point of view.

That is the definition of a forum.

Dave

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Bruce-- I second that opinion of Dave's and was hoping that Jacques remark was tongue in check. All of us that are active on here have been sincerely hoping that we could attract more participants, so for sure we do not want to discourage you. Hoping that you remember me.....I used to subscribe to your Dinky News years ago, and also bought your Dinky Foden Type 1 Tanker in wonderful condition. Any chance you will start up your paper again?
Terry Hardgrave (in sunny, southern California)

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Hi all,

Couldn't agree more, personally I have really learned from this thread, and have added all the unknown to me variations to my big Dinky list, including Bruce's.

To be fair I think Jacques was only trying to say how many wheel variations there are rather than trying to purposely upset Bruce, but it was very unfair to say it in that way.

I was an early member of the MCCH (Matchbox Collectors Community Hall) when it was the best diecast site around, many years ago, thanks to bickering and arguments between members it is now dead in the water,
Please don't let that happen here!

Chris Warr.

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Hey, what's going on here ? What's the fuss about ? Please explain. My post does not mean to hurt any one, somebody must be reading it the wrong way or be overtoutchy.

There is nothing to apologise about. If there is, I am very sorry.

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Hello Jacques,
You have been well informed about my small "star". I will post it soon in a separate topic, have to make pictures first.
Rob

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Hubs and tires make up wheels. I hope the tire variations on the
23a Racing Cars on the picture below are special enough for this article. To me they are.
Rob

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This will be my last post based on my current pictures. I have to take more pictures first. Among them some rarities like a grass green 40a Riley with red hubs, in poor condtion, but very rare. And a 958 Snowplough with yellow plastic hubs. On the picture below a 161 Somerset in blue with cream hubs and a 36a with blue hubs. The black 40b Triumph just happens to be on this picture as well. Rare, but nothing special as far as the wheels are concerned.
Rob

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Wonderful Rob!
How those 23a coloured tyres have survived 70+ years is amazing. Most of my Pre War whites have flat spots. Your Black 40b is a lot nicer than mine too.
Chris Warr.

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Reading the very nice (!) Article on Guy Warriors, I noticed two models
from my collection were missing. First the 432 Guy Flat Truck with green wheels in stead of the usual red. See picture below. Second the 958 Snowplough with yellow plastic hubs. A picture will follow later.
If the writer of the Article wishes to include these variations,
I can provide more pictures if needed.
Rob

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As promised a picture of the 958 Guy Warrior Snowplough with plastic hubs.
Before knowing about this late variation, I would have expected it to have a
silver plough. Obviously it has not.
Rob

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Hoort,

Has the Albion Multibucket (966) issued in December 1960 always been fitted with plastic hubs. If so the introduction date of these hubs must be 12-1960.

This must be the last batch of ploughs made in 1965 but why not with the silver plough which was cheaper ?

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Yes as far as I know the 966 always has plastic hubs. Why the last batch Snowplough was not fitted with a silver plough I do not know. Perhaps Dinky wanted to give a
last sales boost using the black/yellow plough again. (Nicer than the silver one)
Rob

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As far as I know the wheel variations on the Guy Vixen models
are mainly limited to black or colored ridged hubs opposed to
Supertoy wheels. Recently I found a 512 in orange/green with
dark green hubs. These hubs have the same color as the 512
in khaki with a black chassis. Also the box is earlier than the boxes
of my other two models. Perhaps it comes from the first production
batch. Later I also found a 512 orange/green with Supertoy wheels.
The box on that model is a bit smaller than the other two.
Together they make a nice display for this topic.
Rob

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Rob
Does the interior of the box lid for the three Guys have a rubber stamp with letters and numbers? If so, what do they state? If not on the interior, check the outside bottom, although in this location, the blue covering is usually a lighter blue.
Secondly, I presume the model with the Supertoy grooved hubs is a type 1 chassis.
Bruce

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The introduction date for the plastic hubs for the Supertoys larger class was almost six months earlier when Meccano released the 960 Albion Concrete Mixer in July 1960. Actually, the first 960 models left the factory in June 1960, so I guess this would then make June-July 1960 as the introduction date for these plastic hubs. Interesting that during this period, Meccano was still introducing new or producing existing Supertoys shod with the original Supertoys grooved hubs such as 977, 958, 930, 920, 689, and 986. The interior of the box lid for the 958 with plastic hubs might hold the answer if an inspection stamp can be found.
Bruce

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Unfurtunately the 958 box lid does not have an inspection stamp.
There are more Dinky Supertoys from the early sixties that can be found with plastic hubs like the 984 and 985. I have seen both with grey plastic hubs. And I have another Dinky Supertoys with plastic hubs which was a surprise to me when I found it. I will try to post a picture this weekend.
Rob

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My next wheel variation is a 40a Riley in grass green with red hubs.
It is very playworn. The green is a different shade than my other green
Rileys. Small letters on the baseplate and a very small numberplate
at the front. Looks very much like the 40a described in a separate topic
on this Forum. The red hubs are not repainted or the model. I found the model in Houten at the stall of my friend John Worley from IoW.
Rob (Sorry for the quality of the picture, I need a new camera)

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Check out the two types of spun hubs for the 148 Ford Fairlane. Have not checked this variation with other models although I am sure someone has already done so! Apologies for the image which was taken in 2002 with a camera with not many pixels!

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Looks like cast silver color hubs on the metallic green Ford and spun aluminium hubs on the apple green. I am not sure. Cast silver hubs are surely found on the 167 AC Aceca.
Kind regards,
Rob

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This came in my latest group of purchases, I don

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Mine - this one - too has the open base plate.

Apparently a batch of the first ridged hubs version, but still with the the prewar / early postwar base plate.
(I like this shade of green very much on this model).

Best regards, Jan

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Nice variation and lovely condition both models!
Kind regards,
Rob

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Hi all,
Thanks Rob for the Red hubs Riley picture, another one I had no idea was out there.

As regards the Snowplough blade mystery I have long ago given up trying to put any sort of timeline together for variations, some like the 410 Tipper seem to have been randomly assembled from old stocks of parts and pre painted bodies in no particular order whatsoever.

Likewise the plastic hubs on the Leyland Octopus where at least two types of hub were in use, and they were both randomly fitted to the same model.

It would not surprise me if a few old stock pre painted yellow / black blades were found in the stores long after the silver one was introduced, and they were dropped onto the assembly line to get rid of them.

Chris Warr.

Ps Thanks for the wonderful pictures, keep them coming!

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Rob
Both 148 Fairlanes had spun hubs, the pea green on the left was the usual style, whereas the one on the metallic green was produced to a different shape. I wish I had kept it now! By the way, the inside of both hubs were exactly the same. Bruce

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This time the 182 Porsche 356a Coupe in pale blue with blue hubs

and the cream body and beige hubs.

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Nice and scarce variations!
Rob

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Bruce,
Coming back to you for the 512 orange green.
The first box has the stamp NQ 09. (belonging to the dark green
wheel version) Made in 1949? The other two boxes have no stamp.
The three chassis are all different. The first has tinplate
rear axle holders and no casting lugs. The second has the same
axle holders and small casting lugs. The third (Supertoy hubs)
has cast rear axle holders and larger casting lugs. This is a
second type chassis. All three have a first type cab.
Kind regards,
Rob

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