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Hi Bruce, this is an 'ethical problem'. My policy is that I will not remove bad tyres from an excellent to mint model unless I have found authentic replacements (see the example above). I have exactly the same sealed box with engraved white tyres but in unworn condition. I would never open that one. Yours seems to be in a slightly more worn condition, so, less 'scarce'. This may be a consideration to break the seal and use them. Still, the condition of the contents may be a surprise, they can very well have hardened too and break when you try to fit them (which is always the risk, the present quality of the rubber is always unpredictable). In that case you have broken the seal without the result desired. Therefore, you might also try to find such a box with original tyres, but opened and perhaps with incomplete contents. They are not hard to find. Of course these authentic tyres tend to be more expensive than cheap modern replacements, but I have no problem spending a few dollars/ euros/pounds on an original tyre for a fully authentic and sometimes expensive model. If your model is less than excellent, more or less play-worn, however, I would use modern replacements, not just to save your box's virginity, but also because these impeccable looking new tyres would seem a misfit on the visibly less impeccable model. It would be a pity if you were to give the original tyres from your box a worn appearance, That's a minor problem with modern replacements and you can even buy these in a less bright, discoloured shade of white. This is my view, which is personal, as in all 'ethical matters'. 

By the way, this reminds me of my intention to upload my factory lists to the website! Kind regards, Jan 

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Hi,  A few years ago, I saw some replacement Dinky Toy tyres being sold by a company in London. The interesting point was that the seller claimed they were made in the original dies (tools) with original material.  I had a look at the rest of their items and they seemed to be things such as walking stick tips, etc.   Any ideas?

 

Ron

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Hi Ron,

There are several people trading in Dinky Toys (and others) spares and I know that they swap parts between each other. The tyres are probably made by or for one of them and he supplies them to his colleagues.

It is possible that the original dies are extant as the tyres were not made by Meccano but by yet unidentified supplier. In France they were made first near Paris and later in Britanny by "Le Joint Français" who may but unlikely still have the dies.

The seller which you mention would have to name the manufacturer which I doubt very much that he would do. The other sellers such as Steve Flowers, Nigel Pearson and others would probably not do either.

About the original material, during the 45 years life span of Dinky Toys there were certainly different types of rubber used so claiming the tyres were made of the original material is meaning less.

Jacques.

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Here's a tip for fitting or removing hardened rubber tyres, whether they are originals or not :- immerse them (or the model from which you wish to remove them) in hot (not boiling) water for a couple of minutes. This will soften the rubber enough to allow a "stretch" over the rim. I have used this technique many times, with the loss of only one tyre which was already flattened and cracked.

 Kevin.

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Kevin--That is likely a good tip to know. I had to very carefully pry off the front tires on an early post war Auto Union a few months ago, and it was not real easy to do, but I was successful. What is amazing to me, is how tires from different models vary as to how they age. Some get flat spots, others not at all. Some crack considerably, others none. Some just get rock hard, others still have some flexibility. Makes me think that the raw material or compounds were changed or adjusted over the years.
Best regards, Terry

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Terry

You are right in saying that the compound was variable, I've even had the original tyres on the same vehicle degenerate in different ways - a loudspeaker van where one rear tyre is perfect, the other has a pronounced flat spot, whilst both fronts have kept their shape but hardened considerably. Some others, notably the ribbed grey ones from the racing cars and some lorries, seem to behave in a similar way.

 Kevin.

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Thanks very much for this welcome and practical tip, Kevin. It will make future replacing of original, vintage tyres less tricky! Kind regards, Jan 

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Hi all,  Recently I bought a box of Dinky 097 tyres from the local NZ auction site. When I received them (32mm outside flange type), I could not match them up with any Dinky I had. I asked several other collectors who could not help. Then I noticed that the early #609 Howitzer had different wheels that the usual adapted tractor wheel and tyre.  I did not have an example so when one turned up on eBay, I bought it. When it arrived, I found it was indeed fitted with different wheels and tyres.  I suspect wheel Meccano inherited the Tri-ang Battle Lines, it decided to move away from the 'orphan' wheels and tyres fitted to the Howitzer

 

 

Ron F

 

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Hello Ron. I'm not very familiar with this kind of box with the 097 Dinky Toys tyres, but I find in Ramsay's that a box of 097 (or 7383) should contain solid rubber spare wheels, 12 mm dia each (for the motor cycles and related, I presume). Kind regards, Jan 

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Hello, could anybody help me, please, with the dating of the HEAVY DUTY tyres, as shown below? They are fitted on one of my grey Large Trailers, and may be of help dating that example (assuming they have been on that example right from the start). They are different from the later plastic tyres, always seen fitted on the final red Large Trailer.  Kind regards, Jan 

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It may be useful to re-post the picture here which I took of the early post-war small white treaded tyres in the 161b thread. As far as I can see they seem to have been fitted on Dinky Toys with the 1945-1946 smooth hubs only. And I suspect them to have been destined for the US market, as the Reconnaissance Car, this example with the gloss green base plate, seems to confirm - at least not contradict. Any comment on this very welcome! Kind regards, Jan   

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