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-162 and 691 Field Gun Unit (1946-55)

Greetings everybody,

following on from previous contributions on various threads which included reference to the 162 set, I have opened a new thread specifically for it.

Jan has posted pics of his set in an individual pre-war blue box, so this is to add to that thread. Here is my 162 set - although packed in a pre-war box, I have seen reference that a large number of pre-war boxes for all four military sets was in stock in 1940, and frozen until after the cessation of hostilities. When production resumed in 1946, as we know, the axle diameter was increased, but much of the new production was packed in the remaining stock of pre-war boxes, which is what my set is:

However, some sources state that this set was discontinued in the UK after 1950 although it continued to be sold in the U.S. until 1955 - the last reference to it in U.S. catalogues was in the 1954-5 catalogue, which is the only issue to show it renumbered from 162 to 691:

and the separate price list which I am fortunate to also have, shows the set priced at $1.50:

Pictures of catalogue entries are all very well -but what about a picture of the set, I hear you say? O.K. - how about this:

Fortunately, the inspection stamp on the base of my trade box is quite clear: 'BO 454' which of course is April 1954, and there does appear to be the faint remains of a crayoned price on the lid, $1.50.

Hope this is of interest to the military specialists (especially Dave B.) - if anyone can add further details I would be pleased for them to be added on this thread.

Regards to all, Adrian.

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Hi Adrian

I always look forward to Military threads, I have a couple of 162 Trade Boxes:

The single numbered 162 box with reference number 50144 has a date code of 353 or March 1953.

The dual numbered 162/691 box has a Hudson Dobson label from the USA and a date code of 454 or April 1954.

I have numerous different casting versions of the Dragon Tractor, I will do something on these at a later date.

I do not yet have any of the Pre-war military sets but that is a target for 2015!!

Your pre-war 162 set looks very nice indeed.

Dave

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Hi Adrian, nice 162 set you have, and a very good trade box with original contents!
In my opinion in a (supposed original) combination of a pre-war (early-war) box and a post-war model the box should have a very late series number and date, and the model should have very early post-war characteristics like non-ridged hubs, as produced/available until mid/late-1946. Yours does have the slightly later ridged hubs. Does your box nevertheless have a very late production date printed on the box lid's side?

My box is of March 1939, so a combination pre-war box - early postwar model is unthinkable in my case. I found the poor quality picture of the original contents of mine, which was a mess of fatigued pre-war parts, which I replaced by my good-quality loose post-war example.

Another remark/question: the 1954/55 USA catalogue nicely demonstrates the short-lived rounded axle ends, so unusual on originally pre-war introduced models. Could anybody show a set in this very late state?

regards, Jan

55Zephyr
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Greetings everybody,

hello Jan - sorry to be slow to reply - I have been kept busy in particular with my 8-year old grandson who stayed with us for ten days and likes to play with all my play-worn Dinky duplicates - as long as I join in and then show him my better cabinet models. He has now started collecting boxed post-war military models as long as I buy them for him!

I have been re-reading all my collection articles and notes but so far cannot locate the statement that pre-war military set boxes were held over until post-war and then issued with post-war models - most annoying!

To answer your question: my 162 set box has exactly the same print code as yours, BW5185 15M. 3-39. On checking the models, although it isn't clear in the picture, the wheel hubs on both trailer and gun are lightly ridged on thicker axles, but are all fitted with lightly-treaded tyres. The paint finish is matt.

I purchased this set about two years ago from an eBay seller in England who had cleared a house - she had also found a 151 Medium Tank set, a 152 Light Tank set (which I also bought), and a 161 Mobile Anti-Aircraft set. The 161 Mobile Anti-Aircraft set was not listed on eBay - she told me later that during the clearance while putting some of the household items into boxes, she had dropped the 161 set, the contents had fallen out onto a hard stone floor and shattered into many pieces, which she promptly swept up and threw away, along with the box. I asked her if there was any chance that they could be retrieved, but she said not unless they could be located at the local tip! What a shame.

I will post pictures of the 152 set under the correct thread - however, it is in even better condition than the 162 set: the box retains much more colour but has no date code printed on, the models are all finished in Gloss green, and the 152B Reconnaissance car has smooth pre-war hubs on thin axles. Interestingly, the tyres are smooth plain black with no hint of the light tread as on my 162 set - does this mean that these tyres with light tread were only post-war?. Unfortunately there is no card packing piece with this set.

I am still searching for a complete 156 Mechanised Army set - but aren't we all!

Regards, Adrian.

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Hello Adrian, lucky you, acquiring so many sets in one stroke!
I'm still looking for a Medium Tank Set, was outbid for a superb one recently by an even more eager competitor, although my bid was very realistic. Let alone dreaming of the big set ...
I presume your 162 set must have been united on a later date, like mine. It's virtually impossible (impossible ...?) that a first batch box was still used for a very unusual post-war combination.
Thanks, and kind regards, Jan

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Hello Adrian and Jan,

For this set two different boxes were made. The first is made from shiny blue paper and is not often seen. The later box is made from dull blue paper.
My box is dull blue paper with code BW 6223 15M 5-39. Contents are pre war. I have no blue shiny box.
However in my collection No 152 Royal tank corps light tank set, blue shiny box without code and dull blue box with code BW 9139 5M 11-39.

John.

DavidT
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Getting the hang of it a little bit more, this site I mean

Not seen either of the above pictured trade boxes, Field Gun Unit, pictures gone in my file and try and find examples for my self.

David

DavidT
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also the insert shown, probably the rarest item, you ofen see these sets but usually without the inserts. It is also not easy to identify if an insert as included in any box.

David