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DTCAwebsite upgrade 2023 (cont...)

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To update everyone on the progress toward a new version of this website, it has now become clear that we will need to change this platform to something else. There is a plan to procede with manageable resources, so I'm hoping that the migration can get started very soon. Thanks again for your patience everybody. Meanwhile, to insert images into your posts, I'd advise again to use third party websites like https://postimg.cc/ where you can upload and then copypaste links or thumbnail links.

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Al, do you expect the site to move to WP?

--Ravi

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From the platform options, Joomla looks like it will be the better option. This is quite similar to WP, but the wp forum, like most useful wp addons, seems come with a ballast of premium features. Meanwhile, the Drupal advanced forum (this one) and the Joomla kunena forum don't need subscriptions. As a preview of what a DTCA website with Joomla could look like, here's an example https://joomla160724.dtcawebsite.com/index.php/forum/placeholder-categor...

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Dear Al, can you tell us something about the chances of having a properly functioning website before the end of the year, including a forum with easy to place photos? If nothing happens before the end of the year, a lot of members will cancel their membership. Have any possibilities been explored? We are all eagerly awaiting news about what is being done about the website, but we have heard nothing about it. I see you as the only point of contact for us who could let us know the current state of affairs. It is underestimated that good communication and honest disclosure of matters in this regard are crucial for the continued existence of the DTCA at this time. Members must now decide whether they want to renew their membership. It is now make or break.
Best wishes, Jan Oldenhuis

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Thank you for the update, Al. The Joomla preview looks clean and very promising.

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After uploading a picture on postimg.cc these two options can be used.
Copy it and then paste here in your comment.

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It's very simple. You just need to know that when you copy the link into your comment, only the text of the link will appear in the comment and not yet the image. Only when you push the preview or directly the save button, the image will appear neatly in the text of your comment. With this tool it is now very easy to add an image via postimg.cc. I hope everyone will try this and the forum will come to live again. There is only one condition. Only if this free tool continues to exist will the photos remain visible on the website forever.
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As I already pointed out here many messages ago, the problem with using postimg.cc or any other third-party image hosting site is that over the months or years, the images may not stay hosted on those sites. (The third-party sites may close down entirely, or start charging for image hosting, etc.) There are plenty of prior examples of this phenomenon, leading to what is known as link rot.

Therefore, use third-party hosting for casual sharing of new acquisitions, etc., but be wary of using it for an article you have put plenty of time into and which you would like to have be a permanent part of the DTCA Forum. Hopefully, the new forum platform that Al Keeling has announced will again be full-featured and put paid to this dilemma.

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To give an update about the site migration, and following up on where I've mentioned moving to the Joomla system. This current system, called Drupal, is in a chaotic phase of development to the point where it's not viable to pursue as an upgrade option. I had informally agreed with the committee to buy a piece of assistance tooling to move all the data that's here into a Joomla platform, to which I've linked above. On final investigation, and at the point of installing this tool, I find that it doesn't work. In fact there are no automation tool available at the moment, which only leaves a manual method. This is what I had to do to get this current site to work originally. (now having developed some unwanted quirks). In a way, this is good to know because it settles what the approach must be. It does leave a possibility of some choppy transfers - such as we saw some broken up threads and titles before. This might mean some retrospective sorting of pages, but hopefully nothing too major. There's no chance of breaking anything else here meanwhile.

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Hi Al,

I spent a few months learning WordPress and find it to be a very good CMS even with using only free plug-ins. You may want to consider re-evaluating it as a possible alternative to Joomla. As you probably know, 30% of the world's top 1M websites run WP, while only 3% use Drupal and 1.5% run on Joomla. IMHO, the WP ecosystem and community is amazing.

https://www.cloudways.com/blog/wordpress-vs-drupal-vs-joomla/

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--Ravi

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Hi Ravi, It might come to a wp installation because I see there is an available migration assistant. My main reservation with wp is that absolutely everything above the most basic features is premium (including a forum and even the theme... so it has a bit of a blank cheque feel about it), I know the joomla standarad forum is solid and joomla is more configurable generally. That's possibly offset by wp being maybe more portable in the sense that it could be shuffled to a managed host elsewhere pretty easily - and one of the plugin forums might be perfectly adequate. At any rate, I've popped up a wp demo site which I'll be evaluating https://dtcawebsite.live-website.com/

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Hi Al, actually the free versions of BBPress and BuddyPress should be adequate. I can provide basic WP assistance if you need an extra pair of hands to prototype or style content.

PS: I use Local to do local development and tweaks which makes it very easy to share designs with others.

Cheers,

--Ravi

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hi Ravi - I'm going to press on this weekend with the Joomla installation since I've made progress in that direction, so I'll see how far I can get with migrating some data. I've assembled a joomla friendly sql dump of members and think I've set up the smtp side of things so password resetting can happen. I think it's inevitable that the members will have to reset passwords because the requirements are more stringent these days and the encryption protocol seems to have changed, so I can't just copy the old encryptions and expect they will work. I did try this with a test account and it would not play easy. Anyway, the task tomorrow will be to try and replicate the forum structure and start to mirror the content.

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Sounds good, Al. If you decide to experiment with a WP version of the site, the offer still stands.

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Hi Ravi, if you have a chance, please can you try to login at the new website? I've activated and enabled your user but I'm fairly sure you will need to change your password ( it will not affect your password here). Your username is the same. You should be able to see some static content and your profile. You should be able to reach the forum too. By default, the forum shows recent topic when you land there. Click the Index link at the top to see where I've copied in all the structure from this place. If you could post some text and pics, that will be a good test too. I'll clear the decks afterwards if it looks okay, because I have the forum contents in big sql files that I can start to migrate. I did all the users first, this evening, because the posts will need to be matched to the authors as they load in.

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> please can you try to login at the new website?
Hi Al, did you mean the WP test site https://dtcawebsite.live-website.com/ ?

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Sorry, Ravi, I thought I'd mentioned the joomla platform address ... which is at https://joomla160724.dtcawebsite.com/

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Just tried to login with my username (RaviBee) and my DTCA password but that resulted in the error:
"Username and password do not match or you do not have an account yet."

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Yes, I think everyone will need to reset their passwords on the new site, when it comes to it. Can you see a link under the login that says Forgot Your Password? Hopefully the reset process will work. It will not affect your password on this website... they are quite separate.

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I was able to successfully reset my password, but trying to enter the forum resulted in an error page.

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I will have a look later. None of the forum data has moved over yet, so there's nothing really there. I'll try to move some in tonight.

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I was able to change my password but also received this error when I navigated to the Forum page:

The requested page can't be found.
An error has occurred while processing your request.

You may not be able to visit this page because of:
- an out-of-date bookmark/favourite
- a mistyped address
- a search engine that has an out-of-date listing for this site
- you have no access to this page

Go to the Home Page

If difficulties persist, please contact the website administrator and report the error below.

0 Cannot save session: User 0 doesn't exist!

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Thanks Ravi, I'll have another look and see if I missed something. There may be a seperate permission between the site login and the forum.

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hi Ravi, I think your error message is from trying to see a page on the new site from a bookmark that is based on this site. All the url formations are going to be different - so for example this page comment/14395#comment-14395 but on the new site it will be /index.php/forum/dtca-website/8269-dtca-website-upgrade-2023. Everyone will have to update their bookmarks, if they have any.
I should say that the new website is rapidly getting close to being ready. I have mitgrated all the data apart from a few articles and indexed everything. Just need to migrate all the pictures that trail the topics and comments. Hopefully will do that this week and then I can start to think about making a general announcement about some start date and guidance about resetting passwords. It has to be said that this has been another colossal task the last 2 or 3 weeks. Probably 20-30 hours trying to unpick and repack all the data tables. The new forum uses bbcodes , which are much more secure. So I had to groom out all the problematic html tags from about 24,000 posts and comments. Anyway, the experience should be improved. Could you check it out and see if you can navigate and find things? I haven't ultra-tested the search feature.

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