Hi, very nice acquisition. I prefer windows-less Dinky Toys, but if I had to choose I'd make the same choice as you did!

Kind regards, Jan

Hi!

Thought I would add my latest acquisition - a 431 Guy Warrior 4-Ton Lorry complete with its nice box, although one outer flap has become detached.

Never having had one of these beasts in my care before, I was surprised to see that the back still has 511 from the original Guy 4-Ton Lorry! It seems that Meccano never got around to changing the die to represent the "new" 431 Guy (Otter) 4-ton Lorry and finally the 431 Guy Warrior.  Is this the usual back on the Guy Warrior? Hopefully RSSierra can check out his two models!!  What about you Jacques? 

The Guy and its box came from Southend-on-Sea in Essex.

Kind regards

Bruce   (150)

24 February 2016

#797

It's the same story on the 432 warrior flat truck, Bruce.  The back is still stamped 512 .

Thank you Al. It is interesting though that the first sales number is still apparent.  Thank you for responding to my Post - more than appreciated.

Bruce  (150)

1 March 2016

#808

Perhaps some persistent casting numbers were too difficult to remove from the mouldings, or there were oversights, or there was not enough time at the time to make changes.   911 and 913 continued to show the old casting numbers on the backs.  30v the electric van went through two paint variations 491/492 without casting alteration.  989 the auto transporter, continued with the marking 984 from its car carrier guise.   Simca Cargo trucks in whatever new variation - box back, tipper, wagon, glazier - all retain the same 33 number.     My 893 saharien pipe truck still has 36a struck into the trailer as a hangover from its Willeme days. 

i would like to add some photo's of my 431 Guy Warrior 4 ton lorry in red and green.

It is in played with condition, so are all my Guy Warriors.

As Jacques Dujardin mentions on his CD about this version: This is rare because the red body and chassis is that of the 920 Guy Warrior Heinz Ketchup van, it has a Supertoys base as opposed to the Dinky Toys base of the normal 431 and 432. It has windows and the rear bed is riveted to the chassis.

My photo's also show my other Guy Warriors.

It is clear that this version has the chassis of the Heinz version as can be seen on the underside.

It also has the back of the normal 431and the hubs of the 432.

The Heinz van was deleted in 1961, so this version is probably from that year made of leftovers.

Very interesting model ..... as I like very much ! ! Variantes, variantes !!! my motivation to increase my collection. It helps to find new stories about the manufacture of our Dinky Toys !!

Cheers

Richard

The story of these Guy Warrior bases seems to be quite complicated.  I have a tan 431 with Dinky Supertoys on the base.  However, the casting isn’t identical to the 920 one which was used on the red version.  Firstly, this one has no windows, and secondly the Dinky Supertoys lettering is slightly larger!  I don’t have the red version to compare, but the photo below alongside a Snowplough shows the difference (and also compare to the red/green example shown earlier in this thread).  I’m sorry my photos aren’t great, but my phone doesn’t take very good pictures (in my hands at least!).

Warrior-Supertoy-Bases.jpg

The underside of the cab has no window spigot, and there is a 0 cast there.  My 432 (with Dinky Toys base) has a 1 cast there.

Warrior-Cab-Tan.jpg

Warrior-Cab-Green.jpg

Looking at my 432 Guy Warriors, I noticed that the version without windows (top of the photo) has the words Dinky Toys cast slightly larger than on the one with windows.  The difference isn’t great, but it is clearly noticeable if you look closely.

Warrior-Dinky-Toy-Bases.jpg

Late models don’t have the little “pip” in the centre of the tinplate base.  What was the purpose of this “pip”, and why was it later removed?

Hi fred,
Great observations.
I can not answer your question about the pip.

I took a look at the inside of the cabs of my tan and green version without windows.
My green version has a 0 and my tan version a 1 !

Hello Fred,

The marking 0 and 1 on the cab's ceiling means that there were two dies used at the same time for this cab / chassis. This is not surprising as this casting has been used for four different models over a production period of seven years.
This is not a single case, other models are known to have been made with two different moulds, for example the 25 series chassis, the Guy Vixens, the Bedford TK trucks, the French Dinky Simca Cargo ref. 33 and several others.

As the window glazing was added in January 1960 two years after this model was issued, all the models made before this date did not have the window spigot on the cab's ceiling.

A little advice for better pictures, use natural light, never use the flash except for the military models, use a contrasting back ground.

The meaning of the bump or on some models depression on the base plate is not known (yet) this has been discussed some where else on this forum but without an explanation. This bump may have been used to position the plates accurately in the embossing presses. Many Dinky Toys have one, two and even three (see the fire engine ref. 250) such bumps.

Here is the list of Dinky Toys and Supertoys with such a depression :

    101    Sunbeam Alpine                                  1957 - 60
    102    M.G. Midget (2 depressions)               1957 - 60
    104    Aston DB3S                                         1957 - 60
    107    Sunbeam Alpine                                  1955 - 59
    108    MG TF Midget (2 depressions)            1955 - 59
    109    Austin Healey 100  (2 depressions)     1955 - 59
    110    Aston DB3S                                          1956 - 59
    110    Aston Martin DB 5                                1956 - 59
    115    Plymouth Furry sport (2 depressions)  1965 - 69
    129    M.G. Midget (2 depressions)                1955 - 56
    131    Cadillac Eldorado (2 depressions)       1956 - 63
    133    Cunningham racer (2 depressions)      1955 - 60
    154    Hillman Minx                                         1951 - 58
    157    Jaguar XK 120                                      1954 - 62
    160    Austin A30                                             1958 - 62
    163    Bristol 450 (2 depressions)                   1956 - 60
    164    Vauxhall Cresta (2 depressions)           1957 - 60
    167    AC Aceca Coupe                                   1958 - 63
    168    Singer Gazelle                                       1959 - 63
    181    VW 1200                                                1956 - 69
    182    Porsche 356 A                                       1958 - 65
    183    Fiat 600 (2 depressions)                        1958 - 60
    235    H.W.M.                                                   1959 - 60
    237    Mercedes Benz racing car.                    1957 - 68
    250    Streamlined fire engine (3 depressions)    1954 - 62
    343    Farm produce wagon (2) depressions  1950 - 54
    344    Estate car                                              1954 - 61
    413    Austin covered wagon                           1950 - 60
    414    Rear tipping wagon (Dodge Kew) (2 depressions)  1950 - 54
    417    Leyland Comet lorry                               1949 - 54
    418    Comet wagon with hinged tailboard       1954 - 59
    419    Leyland Comet cement wagon               1953 - 59
    420    Forward control lorry                               1948 - 61
    431    Guy "Warrior" 4-ton lorry                         1958 - 64
    432    Guy "Warrior" flat truck                            1958 - 64
    621    Three  ton army wagon                           1954 - 63
    622    Foden 10 ton army truck                         1954 - 64
    625    Austin military covered wagon                1951 - 54
    626    Military ambulance                                  1956 - 65
    643    Army water tanker                                   1958 - 64
    661    Scammel recovery tractor (2 depressions)  1957 - 65
    918    Guy van "Ever Ready".                           1955 - 58
    919    Guy van "Golden Shred"                         1957 - 58
    920    Guy "Warrior" van Heinz.                        1960 - 61
    930    Bedford Pallet Jekta van                         1960 - 64
    934    Leyland Octopus wagon (2 depressions)1956 - 64
    935    Leyland Octopus flat truck chains (2 depressions)  1964 - 66
    943    Leyland Octopus tanker "Esso"               1958 - 64
    961    Blaw Knox bulldozer                                1949 - 64
    963    Blaw Knox heavy tractor                          1948 - 59
    972    Coles 20 ton lorry mounted crane.          1955 - 69