Here is one, auctioned by Vectis recently.

Dave

It was

My Packard couple aren't worth that amount, even together.

But I'm glad THEY have paint on their hubs ... :laugh:

Regards, Jan

Since I am an "older" collector, and my focus was really on the early to mid-1950's models, I also prefer the painted hubs, especially on those older models, such as the Estate Wagon. On the later American cars, introduced around 1959 or so, I think they look more appropriate. But they are all Dinky's and wonderful in any event!!
Terry

I suspect I am a similar age to Terry as I also prefer the painted hubs.

On cars such as the 189 Triumph or 150 Rolls Royce plated is fine as that is all I have ever known.

The real significant thing about painted hubs is that there are endless variations to be collected, as evidenced on the other lovely thread on this site.

Dave

Dave
I think you are right.....I would guess a lot of us Dinky collectors tend to favor the look of the era we grew up with. I still remember being quite disappointed when the new editions of cars, all 2-tone, and with windows came out in the late 1950's. I was only about 15, but still did not like as much as my older ones, and still don't today. Just what we grew up with!
Terry

Here is the front cover of a leaflet for the Packard Clipper.

This is from 1953.

Dave

Sorry Terry and Dave, I guess I must be the Odd One Out! I grew up in the 40s and 50s with Dinky Toys being my major diet in the playing field. When spun hubs came onto the scene with the De Soto in December 1958, I thought they were marvelous and I was so glad that my parents waited until the spun hub version of the 179 Studebaker President was issued before buying me one in yellow, as I thought it looked far better than the original blue painted ridged hubs. For some reason, I can accept both types of hubs, but I drew the line at opening things, although my last Dinky Toys was the 196 Holden Special, but I could accept this model with it being Australia's Own Car, as my father worked in a Holden dealership. I could even accept that being a Holden Special, it was not painted in the correct colour scheme, as this colour was reserved for the Holden Premier. Anyway, by 1963 I was already working and had put Dinky Toys to one side several years previously.
Bruce

It is difficult to say which of the Dinky Toys was fitted with concave aluminium hubs first.

If we stick to the documents, the October 1958 Meccano Magazine shows photos of the Studebaker President with concave hubs both on page 483 and the rear cover and M. Toyman states "aluminium wheel hubs" in his description of the model.

In fact it seems that most Presidents have been fitted with ridged hubs. The De Soto was issued before X'mas of the same year and does not seem to have had any ridged hubs.

So the question of which was first stays un-answered.

Perhaps what I should have stated to keep things in a "possible" accurate manner, is the 192 DeSoto was the first Dinky Toy to be fitted throughout its production run with aluminium spun hubs.

As for the 179 Studebaker President, it may not be quite true that most Presidents have been fitted with ridged hubs, as most seen out here and through various auctions have been those fitted with spun hubs.

However, what is unusual is the model to be advertised and written about having "turned aluminium hubs" or what we refer today as spun hubs, and yet it saw a lot of production with ridged hubs. The model below with spun hubs has an inspection stamp in the box on the inside of an end flap that reads 766/333/159, indicating that it was produced in January 1959. Perhaps the mystery whether the 179 was shod with ridged hubs until January 1959 could be ascertained by checking boxed models and seeing what their quality date stamp reads. It is therefore quite possible that the President started its production life with ridged hubs, (regardless of what Mr Toyman wrote in the Meccano Magazine) which would then make my original statement correct.

Continuing with my last post, here is an interesting observation.

I pulled out another 179 Studebaker President, this one in blue with dark blue flash and beige ridged hubs, and on examining one of the inner large end flaps, I discovered that it too had an inspection stamp of 166/433/159. In my last post, my yellow with blue side flash with aluminium turned hubs had this as its factory stamp: 766/333/159. Notice the similarity with the inspection numbers with just the first number for the first two groups different. However the blue version depicted below has beige ridged hubs of a colour very similar if not identical to those on the 174 Hudson Hornet issued the month before the President saw the light of day.

Is it possible that a problem was encountered with the turned aluminium or spun hubs, that necessitated the use at least for the blue version of the President to be shod with 174 hubs from the red and cream version prior to the model being released?
So, based on the inspection stamp, and assuming the blue 179 has not been swapped with another box (the yellow has stayed with me since new), then we have two colour versions being produced in January 1959, one version with spun hubs and the other in blue with ridged hubs.

Bruce

The following is the 174 Hudson Hornet, in red and pale cream with hubs similar to the above 179 Studebaker President.

Bruce,

Remember that in Binns road, nothing was ever scrapped. The production of the President started at the same time as the issue of spun aluminium hubs. Any hubs of any colour left in the parts store had to be fitted before the new hubs were used. Had ridged hubs been painted for the blue president, they would have been dark blue as the second colour on the rear wings.

Some thing similar probably happened also with your all blue Bedford tipping wagon which is very rare but not unique.

Too many Bedford cab - chassis may have been painted for the Pullmore and there might be a lot of bleue paint left in the painting plant. Unpainted tipper castings may have been in stock and were painted in the same blue to finish off the blue paint.

Any thing of this kind could happen in Binns Road. Bobigny was much more strict and made much less variations.

This is an hybrid box. On one side there is a white halo around the pink car drawing but on the other side there is no halo around the green car.

The same goes for my example (also with green colour spot).
Is this a rule for this box or limited to occasional exceptions?
Kind regards, Jan

Same for me !
Richard

I guess they are all like this, mine's the same

Dave

Some of you may recall the lengthy articles I wrote in the DTCA Journals about a number of Printer's Proofs I bought some years ago.

Guess what??????

This is the same - I will wager that this is normal and most, if not all, picture boxes for the Packard are all like this,

Dave

Exactly - my 132 Packard is identical to the box posted by Jacques.

Also confirming what Dave has stated the aura or halo surrounding the picture of one model is not unique to the 132 Packard. Here are some examples:

To be noted, the aura for the Packard Clipper does not extend around the model, but only that part of the model whose colour would clash with the yellow of the box.

But then we come to the following 181 Volkswagen. With both drawings being identical, why only select one to have the aura??!!

Bearing in mind the purpose of the aura was to highlight the drawing of a model whose colour could clash with the yellow background of the box, so one has to wonder why the following model colours were not reversed with the aura.

The model in grey would have probably benefited with having the aura with the green not so, although this may very well be in the eye of the beholder.

There were also quite a few boxes that neither picture panel utilized the aura to emphasis the model. Why this is so will never be known.

Kind regards

Bruce (150)
#667
21 June 2015

Some silver paint is missing on the radiator grille of the model on the left  !!

Plant omission ?

Richard

Richard—-Have never seen that before! It certainly appears that the front use of the spraying mask and application of silver paint, was indeed missed. One wonders how it got past inspection!
Best regards, Terry

Terry

For the Dinky Toys, QC inspection was done at random so not every model was inspected. I have had a 29c without silvering of the radiator and headlights. I have also seen a 24L Vespa 400 in single colour.

I have listed 45 manufacturing errors which left the factory, most of them are Dinky Toys and only a few are Supertoys.

Here is an other factory painting mistake: Dinky Toys 162 Ford Zephyr Saloon without silver detailing on the front and back side. When you're interested you can buy it on Ebay for the price of € 899,95.

Jan Oldenhuis 29-1-2018

Jan,

Thank you for the tip but it's out of budget !

Richard