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--39e Chrysler Royal Sedan (1939-50)

Dear friends,
I got a new Chrysler 39e and it 's one of my favorite in the 39 series.
It has white tyres and my question is : are they original ? They looks very old and are in a very poor condition.
Has some members already saw this assemblage ?

Shades in the green colour :

And a family photo (that I already posted on this forum!) of my Chryslers (the last one above with white tyres, is missing)

Cheers

Richard

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Hi Richard,
Lovely set there! The two tone is great!
Chris Warr.

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Thank you Chris.
My dream is to find a red/yellow one but it's often out of my budget !
Richard

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May be you like some additional pictures:

The Chrysler as shown in the USA catalogue of 1951. Remarkable that this image has not been modernized and still is the completely outdated pre-war representation, showing white tyres and smooth hubs, the design style quite different from the other model images on the same page.

And as an extra this wooden prototype, described for the first time by Julien Loffet:
Dinky designs. In: Modellers

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Greetings all

This is my 39e Chrysler Royal Sedan, bought seven years ago from its original owner who was extremely fastidious with his Dinky Toys as one can see from its condition. It is almost totally mint with just a couple of extremely minor imperfections. It was given to him for Christmas in the late Forties.

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Bruce

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Bruce, I am rather purist, but you have my consent to call that mint! :)
It strikes me, in comparison, that the front windows realized on de production Dinky Chrysler are much bigger, higher, than visible both on the mock-up and the catalogue picture. Regards, Jan

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Dinkinius wrote:
"Greetings all

This is my 39e Chrysler Royal Sedan, bought seven years ago from its original owner who was extremely fastidious with his Dinky Toys as one can see from its condition. It is almost totally mint with just a couple of extremely minor imperfections. It was given to him for Christmas in the late Forties.

Kind regards

Bruce
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Greetings all

Thought you all might like to know that Chrysler Australia with their development of the 1955 Plymouth P25 incorporating a number of local variations including a wrap-around rear window decided to name their new model "Royal" thus reviving the name Chrysler Royal that had been in production in the United States between 1937 and 1950. The new Australian model, a very worthy competitor to the General Motors-Holden Holden FE, FC, FB and EK models and towards the end of its production life that also included the Australian Ford Falcon was in production between 1957 and 1963.

Kind regards

Bruce

The first version of the Australian Chrysler Royal Sedan

The last production version of the Australian CHRYSLER ROYAL SEDAN

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I got the answer to my question in the "DINKY MAGAZINE" issue 93 of may 2012 :
the green after war Chrysler does exist with white tyres !

Cheers

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Richard wrote:
"I got the answer to my question in the "DINKY MAGAZINE" issue 93 of may 2012 :
the green after war Chrysler does exist with white tyres !

Cheers"

Richard

I presume the DINKY MAGAZINE is the journal for the French Dinky Toys club? I used to be a member when I published my DINKY NEWS. Guy Girod from the French Club used to provide me with a page for DINKY NEWS covering French models. Is the club still operating? I asked this question in another post but, typically like many posts, it did not receive a response!

Bruce

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Bruce,

This is the same as when you write to Guy Girod, You never get an answer and even if you give him something, this rude person does not say thank you, he does not even talk to you.

The Club Dinky France is not legally a club as there is no yearly AGM. It is a mercantile organisation who produces a magazine which contains interesting information but is of very poor quality.

Guy makes his money from the models from P & P copy models which are sold directly by Ian Law but Guy gets a large percentage. I have been a member for one year and have attended the AGM which at the time was held every second year and that was enough for me. The AGM's were always held in Caen. What would the DTCA members say if their AGM was always held in Edinburgh.

According to any dictionary, a club is a place or organisation in which members MEET.

In Guy's so called club, there is no way to meet other members.

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Jacques - I had no problems with Guy, and when I mentioned being a "member", perhaps I should clarify. Guy sent me material, I sent him material in exchange, and we both exchanged each other's newsletters/journals. I always found him helpful and enthusiastic. That was 13 years ago.
My question concerned the Dinky Magazine, a page from which Richard included a copy. I presume therefore that this is what Guy Girod produced or is it some other organisation? I am not really interested in any politics about clubs etc, just a simple answer to a simple question. Thank you.

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Richard is a member of the "club" he will answer about the magazine when he will be back, he is probably away on some trip.

I do not know if the magazine is still produced, Guy has also made some sort of an "encyclopaedia" poorly printed. I have seen some sample pages and was amazed that somebody could issue such garbage.

Jacques.

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Hi Bruce.
Yes, it is.
The club is still operating and the Dinky magazine is always full of good informations.
I had co-operated a lot with Guy to give him informations on the paint manufacturer, on the presidential DS Citro

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Hello Richard
Thank you for your response - nice to see a well balanced assessment, as I had a very nice semi-professional association with Guy, but unfortunately with the onset of other things, he has slipped off the radar so to speak.
Kind regards
Bruce

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janwerner wrote:
"Bruce, I am rather purist, but you have my consent to call that mint! :)
It strikes me, in comparison, that the front windows realized on de production Dinky Chrysler are much bigger, higher, than visible both on the mock-up and the catalogue picture. Regards, Jan"

Jan

Considering the Dinky Toys 39e Chrysler Royal Sedan was made as a toy, I think Meccano got its shape reasonably well, including the front windscreen. Of course for the purist, the bonnet and roof could have been curved a little more, the windscreens slightly wider reducing the thickness of the A pillar, the headlights should be higher on the mudguards, over-riders added to the front bumper with the bumper in front of the grille slightly lower, plus other minor refinements. However, overall, I think it is a wonderful toy which very closely resembles the real car as shown by the accompanying photograph. I am also adding a few more pictures including four of the many advertisements when the model was released. The drawings show much artistic licence in a similar fashion to the Dinky mock-up and catalogue drawings.

Kind regards

Bruce

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Bruce, I have never seen such a nice pictorial comparison of the 39e Chrysler and its 1:1 prototype. Thank you!
This means that Meccano made a considerable improvement to the windows section in the process from mock-up to production model.
Kind regards, Jan

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janwerner wrote:
"Bruce, I have never seen such a nice pictorial comparison of the 39e Chrysler and its 1:1 prototype. Thank you!
This means that Meccano made a considerable improvement to the windows section in the process from mock-up to production model.
Kind regards, Jan"

Thank you Jan for your most appreciated words. It did take me many images to finally come up with one that almost matches the photograph. The focal length had a lot to do with subtle changes, but I am quite pleased with the result.
Most certainly, Meccano did a lot of tweaking between the wooden mock-up and the final result. Wouldn't it be nice if the original drawing was still around!
Kind regards, Bruce

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Several chrome plated Dinky Toys are known :

39e Chrysler Royale,
135 Triumph 2000
925 Leyland dump truck with tilt cab.

What were they exactly ?

Code 3 ?
Promotionnals ?
else ?

There is some info on the 925 Leyland dump truck with tilt cab thread.

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Greetings all,

At a recent auction conducted by Clevedon Salerooms in Bristol, I tried to add an unusual 39e Chrysler Royal Sedan to my collection.  I state "unusual" as I have not previously seen reference to this version, although I could very well be wrong. The model has a silvered base plate, smooth hubs, and small treaded tyres.

Has anyone seen this version before?  It may be one of those "unique" examples, as my competitor was very quick to beat my bid each time I raised his!  I gave it way when it came to my bid of £200 for the lot that also contained a 39c Lincoln Zephyr as I was keen on two other lots and had to keep my spending down to a "reasonable" level in case I have some explaining to do!!!coolwink

Kind regards to you all, and a Merry Christmas. (We are off to Finland early next month to have our first White Christmas!)

Kind regards

Bruce H.   (150)

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Hello Bruce, the latest Model Collector of December happens to contain a considerable, well-illustrated overview of the 39 series, by Clive Unsworth. So I presume the colours as shown on page 46-47 represent the 'state of the art', the colours known up till now. The colour in question isn't shown there, so I presume it's scarce. A quick scan below. Kind regards, Jan 

(By the way, I know Finnish people who fly/flee to the Mediterranean in this season each year, but I can imagine that a White Christmas is a rare experience for you, have a nice holiday!)

P.S.: it's only now that I am aware that a Buick got lost in the midst of the Chryslers!

 

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Bruce----Certainly a very interesting Chrysler, and a pity you ran up against a very determined bidder.....that would have been a nice one to acquire! I only have one example, but one of my first purchases from H. Hudson Dobson back in 1958. They still had a few "new old stock" Dinky's kicking around, and I managed to get one.....for the original price of $.85. It is not mint, but still in wonderful condition after almost 60 years of ownership, and I always liked this model.
And also wishing you a Merry Christmas.....in far away Finland.....that should an enjoyable trip for sure!
Best regards, Terry